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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You are free to pretend you are a woman if you want. I will not stop you. But i will not go along with your pretending. Sorry. I was raised not to tell lies, not even trivial ones for comfort. And if I catch you in the same bathroom as my future daughter I will treat you as a perverted man. Sorry you werent born as a girl. Its not my fault.
    Same here. I was taught to be honest and never tell a lie, so when a group of people demand that I go along with their lies I have to decline. It's not because I'm asshole that I decline, but because I will not lie for anyone.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Didn't read the question properly. If a person has taken the steps to become a woman, they should be treated as a woman. However, if it's pre-op, then they should using facilities and laws relevant to their existing physical parts.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    And if I catch you in the same bathroom as my future daughter I will treat you as a perverted man.
    I so love when people make this empty threat. What are you going to do? Package check someone who you feels looks too masculine to be female? You really want to risk RSO status, especially if you end up wrong? And will you hold that same standard for your future son? Treat the person going into the bathroom with him as a perverted woman who isn't trying to pee but instead sexually assault your boy?
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I so love when people make this empty threat. What are you going to do? Package check someone who you feels looks too masculine to be female? You really want to risk RSO status, especially if you end up wrong? And will you hold that same standard for your future son? Treat the person going into the bathroom with him as a perverted woman who isn't trying to pee but instead sexually assault your boy?
    Of course id handle it the same for a son. And where did I threaten anything? Why do you demonize people who dont agree with you. I meet lots of perverted people and I never threaten them. I never mentioned sexual assualt. THAT i would kill for. Now that is a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I always worry about people who are so concerned to designate others differently than others designate themselves Trans-people don't hurt you at all. Your hostility seems rather excessive. You sound like you picked someone up at a bar and found out later they were a man. `
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I always worry about people who are so concerned to designate others differently than others designate themselves Trans-people don't hurt you at all. Your hostility seems rather excessive. You sound like you picked someone up at a bar and found out later they were a man. `
    It isn't about what someone personally considers himself to be. At the very least, it's about being forced to go along with what one knows to be a falsehood; about enforcement of a ridiculous lie, at the expense of the obvious truth.

    And then there are issues of modesty, safety, and privacy. A man pretending to be a woman, going into a woman's dressing room, locker room, restroom, or other such facility, violates these rights on the part of any genuine girls and women who may be using those facilities; and defeats the purpose of having such sex-segregated facilities. I think that girls and women have a right to use such facilities in peace, without being leered at by creepy perverted men who pretend to be women; and it is just plain wrong to violate this right in order to cater to a sick male pervert who “identifies” as female.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You are free to pretend you are a woman if you want. I will not stop you. But i will not go along with your pretending. Sorry. I was raised not to tell lies, not even trivial ones for comfort. And if I catch you in the same bathroom as my future daughter I will treat you as a perverted man. Sorry you werent [sic] born as a girl. Its not my fault.

    Im [sic] sorry that I dont [sic] think you are a pretty little lady and want to breed with you. But you dont [sic] need to try to make me feel guilty. Life is hard.
    You should never, ever, under any circumstances, feel obligated to apologize for standing for the truth. It is the perverts who wish to compel us to go along with their lies who ought to apologize.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Today I did a training with two other professionals to 45 counselors on trans issues. We started with a transgender doctor who knows the studies backwards and forwards. A counselor who works with these kids talked about his experiences with our population. This was followed by a panel of two young transmen (ftm) and the parents of two transgirls. In the fourth hour, I spoke of the state of the law impacting transgender persons.

    The audience was engaged and moved by the integrity of the experiences described over these four hours. I have participated in numerous trainings of this type and cannot begin to relate here how much I have learned. Nor can I relate the depth of my own experiences.

    More to the point, there is no reason to engage people who prejudge the entire debate with words like “pervert,” “mutilation,” “delusion” and worse. If I felt there was a slightest sense of intellectual curiosity and good will, I would respond in detail but there are far too many haters to make this worth my while.

    You are not haters because you disagree with me. You are haters because you label myself and people I love in the most derogatory of terms without making a rudimentary effort at even learning the terminology.

    For example, the trans community distinguishes between biological sex and gender identity. Much of this argument by labelling (“you are a male, damn it!”) fails to take into account the physical differences which have been found between trans and cis gender brains. Babies brains differentiate in the third trimester into male and female. There are structural differences and post mortem studies and scans have found more similarity between trans females brains and cis gender brains. One poster does not even understand the simple and basic distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity even though this was established in the 1920s!

    If I felt there was interest and good will, I would engage this group with more than this beginning of an argument but so far I have not seen a single negative poster who approaches from a position of intellectual curiosity. You already know it all even though you have not lived it and do not know the subject matter. You appeal to “common sense” as have bigots in the past because your understanding is so thin.

    We have a saying in Oklahoma: “Never wrestle with a pig. The pig likes it and you just get dirty.”

    For that reason, if someone asks a question in good faith, I will respond. Otherwise, you are not worth my effort, particularly when your scratchings at the surface of the issue are comically uninformed and never go beyond declaration of what you see as self-evident "common sense" truth.

    Keep on hating in ignorance. Meanwhile we will live our lives and let people of good intention see that we are not perverts or delusional. You are outmoded and not worth engaging. I am sorry that humanity is more complex than you wish.

    I will continue my work talking to people who matter.

    I expected more intelligent argument on this board but I was mistaken.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Im sorry but masculine females are not men. They can take on the roles that we usually percive as "man", but that doesnt make them men. Im sorry but effeminate males are not females. They can take on the roles that we usually percieve as "woman" but that doesnt make them women. Perhaps they should embrace their roles as effeminate males and masculine females.

    Maybe you should respect my right to classify and categorize stuff on my own terms?
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Of course id handle it the same for a son. And where did I threaten anything? Why do you demonize people who dont agree with you. I meet lots of perverted people and I never threaten them. I never mentioned sexual assualt. THAT i would kill for. Now that is a threat.
    You said that would treat a transwoman in the same restroom as your daughter as a perverted man. How exactly are you supposed to determine whether she is a transferable or a cis female?
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