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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I never said that there was nobody that specialized, my point was that even the "professionals" in this issue are just guessing. There are noscientific facts about any of this. It is all about how a person feels and that could mean that it is a biological issue or a mental issue, that's all...
    Not much of a guess when there are several studies that show it isn't one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    no it doesn't. A man having his pernis turned inside out does not make it a vagina. He does not gain a uterus either... nothing about him makes him a female.
    There are quite a few surgeries for vaginoplasty and not all of them refer to SRS, its been common for several decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not interested in discussing the suicide rates of transgendered people...
    Yes, I'm not surprised you don' want to discuss medical treatments helping people. Let's ignore that ugly fact completely, and pretend we can't help these people at all.

    That worked well in the past didn't it?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Not much of a guess when there are several studies that show it isn't one.
    Evidently you do not understand what psychology entails...

    There are quite a few surgeries for vaginoplasty and not all of them refer to SRS, its been common for several decades.
    How does that negate the facts of my point?

    Yes, I'm not surprised you don' want to discuss medical treatments helping people. Let's ignore that ugly fact completely, and pretend we can't help these people at all.

    That worked well in the past didn't it?
    This is a debate site and that is a discussion point. Suicide is sad. They need help. Move on...

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Evidently you do not understand what psychology entails...

    How does that negate the facts of my point?

    This is a debate site and that is a discussion point. Suicide is sad. They need help. Move on...
    Of course I do, and there is little guesswork involved when you are professionally trained. There are always exceptions but most MD's don't play guess work often either.

    I'm pointing out that reconstructing vagina's is a thing that has been around for decades. Feel free to look up prolapse vagina as a reason for the vaginoplasty. This isn't something new and because you think the SRS is anything other than vaginoplasty is pretty telling about the shallow knowledge.

    Discussion point or not, it is relevant to the conversation. When you have 75% of the population committing suicide, because people yourself think they are lying, that is pretty telling on how much more work we need to do to educate the public this isn't some phase. Just like being homosexual isn't a phase.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Of course I do, and there is little guesswork involved when you are professionally trained. There are always exceptions but most MD's don't play guess work often either.

    I'm pointing out that reconstructing vagina's is a thing that has been around for decades. Feel free to look up prolapse vagina as a reason for the vaginoplasty. This isn't something new and because you think the SRS is anything other than vaginoplasty is pretty telling about the shallow knowledge.

    Discussion point or not, it is relevant to the conversation. When you have 75% of the population committing suicide, because people yourself think they are lying, that is pretty telling on how much more work we need to do to educate the public this isn't some phase. Just like being homosexual isn't a phase.

    Of course you don't. Psychology is not based on facts. They observe things and make guesses about as to why it is. No psychologist can tell you why you feel they way that you do and if you think that they can you are seriously misguided. They can make educated guesses but these guesses are not facts. I studied this stuff and am quite adept at it... you are only compounding the problem really... making guesses about those that guess for a living.

    Before I comment further... you are saying that I think they are lying about their feelings?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Of course you don't. Psychology is not based on facts. They observe things and make guesses about as to why it is. No psychologist can tell you why you feel they way that you do and if you think that they can you are seriously misguided. They can make educated guesses but these guesses are not facts. I studied this stuff and am quite adept at it... you are only compounding the problem really... making guesses about those that guess for a living.

    Before I comment further... you are saying that I think they are lying about their feelings?
    It is based off facts, I realize you might not like to hear that a field of psychology dealing with feelings would be based in fact, but that is why there are PhD's for it. Are you confusing Philosophy and Psychology? The former is not based off of facts, but more how you feel. While I don't know your educational background, someone who is advocating that Psychology is nothing but guessing isn't very far along the educational tract. Self teaching is fine, but you won't get the same experience as someone who actually had guidance under other professionals.

    You've said you think they are lying because they cannot be women. Not sure how else you want me to interpret that.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    You've said you think they are lying because they cannot be women. Not sure how else you want me to interpret that.
    I don't honestly debate liars. Show where I said that I that transgendered people are "lying" or you will be relegated to the waste bin of the intellectually dishonest.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    While I don't know your educational background, someone who is advocating that Psychology is nothing but guessing isn't very far along the educational tract. Self teaching is fine, but you won't get the same experience as someone who actually had guidance under other professionals.
    Or has insight far beyond yours... B.A. and a Masters degree... you?

    It is based off facts, I realize you might not like to hear that a field of psychology dealing with feelings would be based in fact, but that is why there are PhD's for it. Are you confusing Philosophy and Psychology? The former is not based off of facts, but more how you feel.
    Then you should have no problem showing these facts... the ones that show how "feelings" can be factually identified. Any person that has been to counselling knows that the counsellor does nothing more than help and guide, at best, the client. They attempt to get to the root cause of emotional understanding but nothing about it is fact. The client "feels" what might be correct. "Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    "Feeling" that you are a woman when you are in fact a man does not mean that the man is biologically a woman or that he can become one... just that he "feels" like one.
    This will be considered hate speech once the full transformation to the United States of Social Justice is complete, so you better learn how to check that cis-privilege soon bub.


    Also, I'd just like to point out that you are asking for facts and logic from somebody that:

    1) Wants us all to just trust their feelings instead of listening to the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, which says that people who think "they were born the wrong sex" are suffering from a mental illness.

    2) Wants us all to believe that the 75% suicide rate (another clear sign of mental illness) is actually because "people like us think they are lying", and it's somehow proof of how oppressed they are.

    3) Thinks that the medical procedure of turning a penis inside-out is "no different from a simple vaginoplasty".


    Or in other words, good luck on this one.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    This will be considered hate speech once the full transformation to the United States of Social Justice is complete, so you better learn how to check that cis-privilege soon bub.


    Also, I'd just like to point out that you are asking for facts and logic from somebody that:

    1) Wants us all to just trust their feelings instead of listening to the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, which says that people who think "they were born the wrong sex" are suffering from a mental illness.

    2) Wants us all to believe that the 75% suicide rate (another clear sign of mental illness) is actually because "people like us think they are lying", and it's somehow proof of how oppressed they are.

    3) Thinks that the medical procedure of turning a penis inside-out is "no different from a simple vaginoplasty".


    Or in other words, good luck on this one.
    When the "full transformation" is complete, people will come to understand that that is personal consumption and a pursuit of happiness issue and none of government's business, having nothing to do with Social Justice than buying bubblegum.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well, what do you think?
    If that's what turns them on and they don't impact other people's rights like the gay lobby is doing, I don't see any reason why not.

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