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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Keep in mind with these numbers were talking 3% of 10% of the population.

    Miami: Seventh Trans Woman Murdered in U.S. in 2015 | Advocate.com (that's just for 2015).

    This is also not talking about suicides which is nearly 80% for pre-treatment transsexuals.

    That means 2 out of every 10 transsexuals dies before treatment is complete. That is unacceptable, the bubonic plague, for reference, killed only 50% of the people who came down with it.
    All murder is unacceptable... and that one is a man. Transwoman just confuses the facts.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All murder is unacceptable... and that one is a man. Transwoman just confuses the facts.
    Yet, this is happening every single year, and with the attitudes some people have displayed on here it is clearly a generational gap issue.

    Like I said, if you don't agree with someone being transsexual that would be your own bias. I'll take the word of a professional first.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Yet, this is happening every single year, and with the attitudes some people have displayed on here it is clearly a generational gap issue.

    Like I said, if you don't agree with someone being transsexual that would be your own bias. I'll take the word of a professional first.
    There are no professionals with a psychological issue like this... psychology itself is a best guess science.

    The fact is that a man that feels like a woman is still a man. No surgery in the world will change this fact.

    I have nothing against anybody with that issue and have known a few including tons of homosexuals...

    I would also agree that the generations veiw things very differently...

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    There are no professionals with a psychological issue like this... psychology itself is a best guess science.

    The fact is that a man that feels like a woman is still a man. No surgery in the world will change this fact.

    I have nothing against anybody with that issue and have known a few including tons of homosexuals...

    I would also agree that the generations veiw things very differently...
    There are quite a few LGBT psychologists that specialize in transgender issues. There is even a worldwide conference held every two years, its called WPATH, the next one is in Amsterdam.

    Medical surgery does change one's biological sex especially with the help of hormones. Not to mention the suicide rate drops by nearly 75% after SRS is completed and hormone therapy continued. That alone speaks volumes about the medical side of being transsexual.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    The APA disagrees with you on that statement. Also surgery can fix a torn ACL, which is exactly what the SRS does. Its weird that you seem to think this is a choice when you have seen first hand what the effects a medical surgery can do for someone.
    To be perfectly frank I don't really care what the APA thinks. I pretty much knew you were going to run with my ACL example and compare it directly to this surgery and low and behold that is exactly what you did. Tearing your ACL requires it to be repaired for the knee to function normally, while not getting the SRS surgery is in fact something many transgenders decide to do, and while they suffer from depression and might decide to end their life at some point, they are in no way physically impaired. While this might be mean to point out, many elective surgeries can help with depression, and like in this case here, some people that elect not to get it done will in fact decide to kill themselves over the depression that could have been combated by surgery.

    We are helping them, realizing that this is not a mental disorder, like depression is a step in the right direction.
    To be honest I'm not convinced it's not a mental disorder.

    Yet again, transsexuality is not a mental disorder, it never was accurately diagnosed due to the same reason homosexuality was once considered a mental disorder. Its that fear and bias of someone different that seems to keep holding us back. The SRS isn't elective and it shouldn't be considered as such, no more than a hip replacement surgery is elective or knee replacement etc. They are medical surgeries and that is something you will have to either learn to accept or not. I can't really force you to, but the consistent ignorant statements is something I will always speak up against.
    I have made my point clear enough on the part you quoted, and I like said, they are men and if we desire to be honest we will not continue to lie to the population that they are women.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    There are quite a few LGBT psychologists that specialize in transgender issues. There is even a worldwide conference held every two years, its called WPATH, the next one is in Amsterdam.

    Medical surgery does change one's biological sex especially with the help of hormones. Not to mention the suicide rate drops by nearly 75% after SRS is completed and hormone therapy continued. That alone speaks volumes about the medical side of being transsexual.
    That is a bunch of gibberish. Why are people so motivated to lie over this issue?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    There are quite a few LGBT psychologists that specialize in transgender issues. There is even a worldwide conference held every two years, its called WPATH, the next one is in Amsterdam.
    I never said that there was nobody that specialized, my point was that even the "professionals" in this issue are just guessing. There are noscientific facts about any of this. It is all about how a person feels and that could mean that it is a biological issue or a mental issue, that's all...

    Medical surgery does change one's biological sex especially with the help of hormones
    no it doesn't. A man having his pernis turned inside out does not make it a vagina. He does not gain a uterus either... nothing about him makes him a female.

    Not to mention the suicide rate drops by nearly 75% after SRS is completed and hormone therapy continued. That alone speaks volumes about the medical side of being transsexual.
    I am not interested in discussing the suicide rates of transgendered people...

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    The APA disagrees with you on that statement. Also surgery can fix a torn ACL, which is exactly what the SRS does. Its weird that you seem to think this is a choice when you have seen first hand what the effects a medical surgery can do for someone.
    The APA is a group of people that guess for a living...

    We are helping them, realizing that this is not a mental disorder, like depression is a step in the right direction.
    See, saying that a person has a mental disorder that has ADD is an insult when saying that when a man thinks that he is a woman and tries to change into one is not a mental disorder. I just can't take any person that thinks this way seriously. Attention problems... MENTAL DISORDER! Oh, you are a male that thinks he is a female... it's not a disorder sweetie, you really are a female and let's see how we can make that happen...



    I can't really force you to, but the consistent ignorant statements is something I will always speak up against.
    And slavery was legal until it wasn't... so what?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They get beaten up and even killed from time to time when a man has sex with one of them and finds out the truth after. If I remember correctly they are told to be upfront about it to avoid such responses.

    Let's be clear: Killing is wrong, even if you feel your sexual partner has lied to you.

    I'm sure you meant to add that.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Let's be clear: Killing is wrong, even if you feel your sexual partner has lied to you.

    I'm sure you meant to add that.
    I'm sure I didn't. My post had a certain purpose and it wasn't to judge if beating them up or killing them was right or wrong.

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