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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Only if they are pre-op should the topic be broached. Then again if people wouldn't kill them when they tried to explain perhaps there would be less lying all around.
    How many people are killing the transgendered to make this a relevant statement?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How many people are killing the transgendered to make this a relevant statement?
    They get beaten up and even killed from time to time when a man has sex with one of them and finds out the truth after. If I remember correctly they are told to be upfront about it to avoid such responses.

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    My guess is those who have railed against transgenders are mostly male, and they fear they might find a M/F trans person attractive, which would blow out all their prior conceptions and they can't handle that.
    With hormone treatment these men can totally look like women and be very attractive.

    As a man who is generally against allowing these men into a female locker room I have no problem saying that.

    It is the ones that are simply self-identified but CELARLY still men that are the real issue...

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They get beaten up and even killed from time to time when a man has sex with one of them and finds out the truth after. If I remember correctly they are told to be upfront about it to avoid such responses.
    Yeah, that happens and I almost don't blame them because of the deception. But it is not the issue that nicci is making it out to be. Some epidemic of violence against transgendered.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yeah, that happens and I almost don't blame them because of the deception. But it is not the issue that nicci is making it out to be. Some epidemic of violence against transgendered.
    Agreed. From how I understand what she said it sounds like she is saying being upfront about it is a problem because they might get killed. I don't think that is generally considered the problem, but in fact generally considered the solution.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Agreed. From how I understand what she said it sounds like she is saying being upfront about it is a problem because they might get killed. I don't think that is generally considered the problem, but in fact generally considered the solution.
    Agreed. That is how I see what she is attempting to say as well.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They get beaten up and even killed from time to time when a man has sex with one of them and finds out the truth after. If I remember correctly they are told to be upfront about it to avoid such responses.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yeah, that happens and I almost don't blame them because of the deception. But it is not the issue that nicci is making it out to be. Some epidemic of violence against transgendered.
    I remember reading, many, many years ago, an article in the Santa Barbara News Press about prostitution in that city. I grew up in Santa Barbara, but have never been directly aware of the goings on relating to Prostitution there or anywhere else that I have lived.

    According to the article, a substantial portion of the prostitutes in Santa Barbara were transvestites—men dressed and made up to look like women—and it was a common occurrence for these transvestite prostitutes to get badly beaten up by prospective customers. I find it difficult to imagine how any such person might otherwise expect such an encounter to go. I have to think that there would be very, very few men, who, on contracting the services of a prostitute would take it very well to learn that the prostitute doesn't even have the right equipment to fulfill that service; and I can imagine no way for such a deal to end well for either party. Someone of low enough character to engage a prostitute probably isn't going to have any qualms about responding violently to a prostitute that turns out to be a fraud of that sort.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because it's really not a treatment. The condition itself is entirely untouched by hormone treatment and surgery. Saying it is a treatment is along the lines saying you treat a knee injury with painkillers. As someone that tore his ACL in both knees when he was younger I assure painkillers wouldn't have fixed the problem. As for treatment being a choice, well technically it is a choice.
    The APA disagrees with you on that statement. Also surgery can fix a torn ACL, which is exactly what the SRS does. Its weird that you seem to think this is a choice when you have seen first hand what the effects a medical surgery can do for someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The evidence just doesn't suggest there is any connection between the two. That is not to say there won't be one found in the future, but as of yet I don't think you have a very strong case here. Hey, if there is any really move forward with genetic research maybe we can help these people these people in the future, and you know, I'm totally for doing that. I don't think it will be accepted in the transgender community, but I suppose that bridge is no where in sight yet.
    We are helping them, realizing that this is not a mental disorder, like depression is a step in the right direction.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well, the treatment does deceive people and you even admitted it by suggesting that I have meet transsexuals before and didn't even know it. The fact that they can actually pass as women to the point where I don't even think anything fishy was going on is very clear sign of deception. I'm also against all treatments that act on healthy body parts and fail to treat underlining conditions, so it's not as if I'm being inconsistent in my views here when speaking of how the surgery is unethical. Elective surgeries I will regularly condemn on this basis no matter if it's breast implants, circumcisions, face lifts, vasectomies, or this surgery here. I do not agree with people that view elective surgeries as ethical and probably never will.
    Yet again, transsexuality is not a mental disorder, it never was accurately diagnosed due to the same reason homosexuality was once considered a mental disorder. Its that fear and bias of someone different that seems to keep holding us back. The SRS isn't elective and it shouldn't be considered as such, no more than a hip replacement surgery is elective or knee replacement etc. They are medical surgeries and that is something you will have to either learn to accept or not. I can't really force you to, but the consistent ignorant statements is something I will always speak up against.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How many people are killing the transgendered to make this a relevant statement?
    Keep in mind with these numbers were talking 3% of 10% of the population.

    Miami: Seventh Trans Woman Murdered in U.S. in 2015 | Advocate.com (that's just for 2015).

    This is also not talking about suicides which is nearly 80% for pre-treatment transsexuals.

    That means 2 out of every 10 transsexuals dies before treatment is complete. That is unacceptable, the bubonic plague, for reference, killed only 50% of the people who came down with it.
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