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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When did I say it was a choice? What I said is the hormone treatment and surgery is harmful to the patient and medically unethical. What I reject is the treatment being done by doctors and the declaration that transgenders are the opposite sex after the treatment and surgery is done.

    Also, your study didn't say that. What it said is that there isn't enough evidence to conclude that chromosomal abnormality is related to transsexuality.

    People like yourself might think I have something against transgenders, but my problem centers around incorrect declarations, a treatment that is extremely unethical and doesn't probably treat the patients condition, and transgenders portraying themselves as something they are not.
    You keep saying that it isn't a treatment, so of course that means its a choice. Except it isn't.

    There isn't enough evidence yet, and its the first of many studies currently on going. I first heard about these back in the mid to late 2000s as helping people is something we humans are usually pretty good at doing.

    I think you do have something against someone who is transsexual, in fact its pretty obvious you do from they way you talk about deceptions an unethical treatment when you have no idea what that person is going through. Its very similar to certain wealthy people who disparage the poor for having refrigerators because we can't let them poor people keep food fresh. Completely disconnected with the situation is exactly what you sound like.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I self identify as a female black lesbian on all of my EEO forms.

    I mean, since we have rejected the science of DNA, I can self identify as any race/sex and sexual preference I want and they are required to treat me as such legally, right?
    You bet you can, you need to undergo melanin injections and have the SRS surgery (that is required to identify as female on legal documents) then go ahead and date whatever woman you want.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Its very similar to certain wealthy people who disparage the poor for having refrigerators because we can't let them poor people keep food fresh.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    You bet you can, you need to undergo melanin injections and have the SRS surgery (that is required to identify as female on legal documents) then go ahead and date whatever woman you want.
    Nope, I am pre-op.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope, I am pre-op.
    You can't change your legal documents but call yourself whatever you want.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    You bet you can, you need to undergo melanin injections and have the SRS surgery (that is required to identify as female on legal documents) then go ahead and date whatever woman you want.
    Don't you think it's somewhat messed up for transsexual to date straight individuals? I have actually ventured over on forums for transsexuals and have seen first hand them talking about ways to pick up straight men and I have to tell you I found the entire thing vile. I mean, they aren't even women and they know for a fact these men are looking for women, so it's basically a long discussion of people trying to reason it all out in their head that what they are doing isn't wrong.

    For that matter, don't think it's wrong the other way around? If the transsexual is a straight man(yes I know you want to call them a gay woman) and is actively looking for women isn't that equally wrong? Don't they know that that those individuals are looking for women and they are in fact a man?

    I don't know, but to me anyway it seems incredibly immoral to do that. It's basically playing with someone else's sexuality.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Don't you think it's somewhat messed up for transsexual to date straight individuals? I have actually ventured over on forums for transsexuals and have seen first hand them talking about ways to pick up straight men and I have to tell you I found the entire thing vile. I mean, they aren't even women and they know for a fact these men are looking for women, so it's basically a long discussion of people trying to reason it all out in their head that what they are doing isn't wrong.

    For that matter, don't think it's wrong the other way around? If the transsexual is a straight man(yes I know you want to call them a gay woman) and is actively looking for women isn't that equally wrong? Don't they know that that those individuals are looking for women and they are in fact a man?

    I don't know, but to me anyway it seems incredibly immoral to do that. It's basically playing with someone else's sexuality.
    Only if they are pre-op should the topic be broached. Then again if people wouldn't kill them when they tried to explain perhaps there would be less lying all around.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    You keep saying that it isn't a treatment, so of course that means its a choice. Except it isn't.
    Because it's really not a treatment. The condition itself is entirely untouched by hormone treatment and surgery. Saying it is a treatment is along the lines saying you treat a knee injury with painkillers. As someone that tore his ACL in both knees when he was younger I assure painkillers wouldn't have fixed the problem. As for treatment being a choice, well technically it is a choice.

    There isn't enough evidence yet, and its the first of many studies currently on going. I first heard about these back in the mid to late 2000s as helping people is something we humans are usually pretty good at doing.
    The evidence just doesn't suggest there is any connection between the two. That is not to say there won't be one found in the future, but as of yet I don't think you have a very strong case here. Hey, if there is any really move forward with genetic research maybe we can help these people these people in the future, and you know, I'm totally for doing that. I don't think it will be accepted in the transgender community, but I suppose that bridge is no where in sight yet.

    I think you do have something against someone who is transsexual, in fact its pretty obvious you do from they way you talk about deceptions an unethical treatment when you have no idea what that person is going through. Its very similar to certain wealthy people who disparage the poor for having refrigerators because we can't let them poor people keep food fresh. Completely disconnected with the situation is exactly what you sound like.
    Well, the treatment does deceive people and you even admitted it by suggesting that I have meet transsexuals before and didn't even know it. The fact that they can actually pass as women to the point where I don't even think anything fishy was going on is very clear sign of deception. I'm also against all treatments that act on healthy body parts and fail to treat underlining conditions, so it's not as if I'm being inconsistent in my views here when speaking of how the surgery is unethical. Elective surgeries I will regularly condemn on this basis no matter if it's breast implants, circumcisions, face lifts, vasectomies, or this surgery here. I do not agree with people that view elective surgeries as ethical and probably never will.
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-27-15 at 04:43 PM.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Only if they are pre-op should the topic be broached. Then again if people wouldn't kill them when they tried to explain perhaps there would be less lying all around.
    No, all surgery does is move around the male genitalia. You can't very well trick a man to have sex with you all that easily if when he takes your pants off there is a dick looking back at him, but you can in fact get him to go all the way if what he sees looks like a vagina. See the problem?

    How is it at all hard to understand why he would object to that kind of treatment? Not only did you play with sexuality, but you had sex with him on false pretenses. Why in the world would he not be extremely pissed about that?

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