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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

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    if you do that you won't have any

    women's pro basketball

    any women's pro tennis

    any women's pro golf

    a top HS male player will beat Serena Williams in tennis-and beat her badly

    a decent HS men's basketball team will obliterate a women's pro team;

    the speed is way too much

    the HS I attended went 1-2 in the state tennis individual tournament. The kid who won is a top D-I recruit but he's nothing like the kids turning pro in HS like Sampras and Arias or Agassi did and he still hits serves at 130 MPH.

    I knew the guy who played #1 for Notre Dame a couple years ago. He got to the semis of our city championship, He is no where near a pro tour player but he'd crush any pro lady
    I think I must not have made clear what I was saying. Yes there would be no more pro women's anything, but neither would there be any more pro men's anything. Understanding that I am using words for convince and the specific terms could change; there would be Tier I pro basketball and Tier II pro basketball. While Tier I would be mostly men, any woman who could compete and keep up with such men would be in it. And while Tier II would be mostly women, those men who are up on that level, but not up to Tier I level, would be in Tier II.

    Now would we be limited to just the two Tiers/levels/organizations/whatever? Who knows? Ultimately it comes down to set your standards for entry, if a person meets those standards they play, if not they don't. It can't be any more simple than that. Toss the whole gender thing aside and then it doesn't matter if they are trans or not. You are pitting skill level against skill level.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Really?

    You're going to suggest that a simple piercing or tattoo is the equivalent of a major mutilation of one's genital to the point of destroying their natural function in favor of a superficial imitation of the opposite sex?

    Seriously?
    Actually, in some people's opinion, particularly fundamentalist Christians but not limited there to, any non medical mutilation of the body is sinful and/or mentally disturbed. On the other side of the coin, there are those who enjoy extensive body modification. If you are holding the natural function of a penis to be procreation, then getting my tubes cut is no different from having the whole works removed and changed to an "innie".
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Immoral to you. Don't care. Everyone has a right to live their life how they choose to live it so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's Rights. And Transgenderism certainly does not do that.

    As for the government paying for it...well...I say that they should pay for it, you say the opposite. Guess we cancel each other out and as such should let a neutral 3rd party decide huh? Only neutral 3rd party that can do that is the government.
    Well it does effect others if they get their sex changes on the taxpayers dime as you suggested earlier that you would have no problem with government paying for them.

    I'm sure if you took a poll on likely voters in this country you would find that idea isn't going to fly. Most can't even get their head around someone physically changing their born sex let alone being handed the bill to pay for it.
    I think what has been happening the last few years is seeing the use of Moral Relativism to attempt to normalize what most see as the indefensible. And I do believe there is a backlash in this country brewing over it.

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well it does effect others if they get their sex changes on the taxpayers dime as you suggested earlier that you would have no problem with government paying for them.

    I'm sure if you took a poll on likely voters in this country you would find that idea isn't going to fly. Most can't even get their head around someone physically changing their born sex let alone being handed the bill to pay for it.
    I think what has been happening the last few years is seeing the use of Moral Relativism to attempt to normalize what most see as the indefensible. And I do believe there is a backlash in this country brewing over it.
    I think there's something grande,r more sinister, and more insidious, going on here, than mere “moral relativism”. More of a broader “universal relativism”, of which “moral relativism” is just one subset.

    There are clear distinctions that are required for society and individuals to function. Male and Female. Good and Evil. Reason and Madness. Lawfulness and lawlessness. Light and Darkness.

    The movement, it seems, seeks to erase these distinctions, to treat them as meaningless.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I think I must not have made clear what I was saying. Yes there would be no more pro women's anything, but neither would there be any more pro men's anything. Understanding that I am using words for convince and the specific terms could change; there would be Tier I pro basketball and Tier II pro basketball. While Tier I would be mostly men, any woman who could compete and keep up with such men would be in it. And while Tier II would be mostly women, those men who are up on that level, but not up to Tier I level, would be in Tier II.
    I don't think this would work like you think. Your "tier 2" would be filled with men. "Tier 3"? Filled with men. 4? Men. As somebody brought up earlier, a decent boys highschool team will usually destroy women's pro teams. I can hang with LPGA players and I don't even get out to golf much these days.

    What you'll end up doing with this is effectively eliminating women's leagues and replacing them with minor league men's teams. And doing it all just so the mentally deranged 0.3% can fit in? No thanks. We're way better off just saying that they can't play competitively at all. Or they can all band together and go form their own "gender neutral" league or whatever they want to call it.

    edit - Actually, I think we might be onto something here. It might be kind of morbidly entertaining to see all of the transfolk playing each other on the b-ball court... the ones that look like women will be dunking and crossing people over all sick... while the "manly" looking ones will be barely getting the ball up over the rim on free throws and just generally getting schooled. It will be like a weird bizarro reverso world. We could get it televised on Spike or something. Hmmm.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well it does effect others if they get their sex changes on the taxpayers dime as you suggested earlier that you would have no problem with government paying for them.
    Does using taxpayer money somehow interfere with other peoples Rights? Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm sure if you took a poll on likely voters in this country you would find that idea isn't going to fly. Most can't even get their head around someone physically changing their born sex let alone being handed the bill to pay for it.
    I think what has been happening the last few years is seeing the use of Moral Relativism to attempt to normalize what most see as the indefensible. And I do believe there is a backlash in this country brewing over it.
    I wonder just how many things that the voters would have voted against through out our history..and yet still was done by the government AND has turned out to have been beneficial to society. At one point in history many thought it indefensible to allow a black man and a white woman to marry. At one point in time it was indefensible to allow a black woman to drink from a white mans fountain.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    At one point in history many thought it indefensible to allow a black man and a white woman to marry. At one point in time it was indefensible to allow a black woman to drink from a white mans fountain.
    Comparing major key events in the civil rights movement to taxpayer funded cosmetic surgery for mentally ill people is quite a stretch. IMO at least.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think there's something grande,r more sinister, and more insidious, going on here, than mere “moral relativism”. More of a broader “universal relativism”, of which “moral relativism” is just one subset.

    There are clear distinctions that are required for society and individuals to function. Male and Female. Good and Evil. Reason and Madness. Lawfulness and lawlessness. Light and Darkness.

    The movement, it seems, seeks to erase these distinctions, to treat them as meaningless.
    Sounds CT'ish to me.

    So. What is Good and Evil? What is Reason and Madness? What is Lawfulness and lawlessness? What is Light and Darkness? The world is not near as black and white as you seem to want it to be. Never was and never has been.

    And no one is suggesting that we get rid of males/females and change the human race into some kind of asexual clones or whatever.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    Comparing major key events in the civil rights movement to taxpayer funded cosmetic surgery for mentally ill people is quite a stretch. IMO at least.
    Mentally ill? Can you prove that transgenders are mentally ill? Or are they just following what is in their DNA? Are things that others do not understand and/or disapprove of always to be considered mentally ill?

    And tax money is always being used to help those that are mentally ill. If you consider Transgenders to be mentally ill then you should have no problem with more tax money going towards helping them feel more comfortable and more able to function in society.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I think I must not have made clear what I was saying. Yes there would be no more pro women's anything, but neither would there be any more pro men's anything. Understanding that I am using words for convince and the specific terms could change; there would be Tier I pro basketball and Tier II pro basketball. While Tier I would be mostly men, any woman who could compete and keep up with such men would be in it. And while Tier II would be mostly women, those men who are up on that level, but not up to Tier I level, would be in Tier II.

    Now would we be limited to just the two Tiers/levels/organizations/whatever? Who knows? Ultimately it comes down to set your standards for entry, if a person meets those standards they play, if not they don't. It can't be any more simple than that. Toss the whole gender thing aside and then it doesn't matter if they are trans or not. You are pitting skill level against skill level.
    I don't think you really are all that into pro sports or understand them
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