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Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

Should transwomen be legally trreated as women?

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Trans sexual people ARE victims in many ways. Victims of circumstance, victims of persecution, victims of natural tendency to create diversity, victims of human bias, victims of societal acceptance...etc.
They are not "Playing" any cards but the hand they are dealt...perhaps understanding and compassion might be used. If anyone has doubts about the sex of the person they have sexual interest in, they probably should not pursue it in the first place and if you bed someone before you bother to even know them at this basic level....you're probably doin' it wrong anyway.
 
must....resist....urge....to....self....identify....as....popcorn.....shrimp.....on....next....census.....
 
Absentglare said:
Actually, they care a great deal. You think trans* get their hormones directly from Walgreens?
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Do you think a transman is going to get a breast cancer screening just because she identifies as a man?
 
tecoyah said:
Trans sexual people ARE victims in many ways. Victims of circumstance, victims of persecution, victims of natural tendency to create diversity, victims of human bias, victims of societal acceptance...etc.
They are not "Playing" any cards but the hand they are dealt...perhaps understanding and compassion might be used. If anyone has doubts about the sex of the person they have sexual interest in, they probably should not pursue it in the first place and if you bed someone before you bother to even know them at this basic level....you're probably doin' it wrong anyway.
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They are victims of an inappropriate view of self based outside of reality. They are victims of mental disorder.
 
phattonez said:
They are victims of an inappropriate view of self based outside of reality. They are victims of mental disorder.
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Oh...I forgot....they are also victims of ignorant peoples hatred.

Thanks for the reminder.
 
tecoyah said:
Oh...I forgot....they are also victims of ignorant peoples hatred.

Thanks for the reminder.
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Should a transwoman get frequent breast cancer screenings because he identifies as a woman?
 
instagramsci said:
if we're going off the definition of a slur as "any pejorative"

but I prefer

you know

real world uses
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Omgitsme said:
Its not a slur. Cisgender is just the opposite of transgender. Thats all. He just thinks its a slur because some idiots say things like "die cis scum" (and yes those specific trans people who post on that site are idiots) which doesnt make cis a slur just like how if someone were to say "die white scum" doesnt mean white is a slur.
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If it's intended to disparage, it is by definition a slur.

The disparagement is the implication that they are better than..,
 
phattonez said:
Should a transwoman get frequent breast cancer screenings because he identifies as a woman?
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Hmmmm....I suppose she should. My wife has fantastic implants and probably similar Hormonal make up...she gets checked every year.
 
BmanMcfly said:
If it's intended to disparage, it is by definition a slur.

The disparagement is the implication that they are better than..,
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Fine what would you prefer non transgender people to be called?
 
tecoyah said:
Hmmmm....I suppose she should. My wife has fantastic implants and probably similar Hormonal make up...she gets checked every year.
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Your wife is a man?
 
tecoyah said:
I can guarantee she is not a man...anymore than you seem to be.
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Let's put it another way: should a transman have herself checked for prostate and testicular cancer?
 
Omgitsme said:
Fine what would you prefer non transgender people to be called?
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I don't really care; it doesn't phase me regardless. I'm just saying, a slur is a slur, and trying to sugar coat it as something different... From a group demanding tolerance and acceptance, is hypocritical at the least.
 
phattonez said:
Let's put it another way: should a transman have herself checked for prostate and testicular cancer?
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As she would not have any testicles to check probably not, I get the jist of your issue though. I'll grant that there will obviously be part of the body that retain the original genetics and physiology, these aspects should indeed be monitored as should mine.

Now...you can answer a question for me.

Is there some reason that you feel so involved in the sex lives of complete strangers?
 
Henrin said:
So is your wife transgender or what?
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Uh...no:
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Is your husband cheating on you with the Puerto Rican Pool boy?
 
Henrin said:
Then I don't get your comment or how it is relevant.
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I was asked if a trans woman should get a mammogram, to which I replied she probably should based on the hormone dose and that my wife has implants and does so every year.
 
tecoyah said:
I was asked if a trans woman should get a mammogram, to which I replied she probably should based on the hormone dose and that my wife has implants and does so every year.
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Ok, my bad then.
 
505 said:
Oh yeah?



Queue goalpost shifting or twisting in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
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The status of being white and cis gendered does not, itself, conflict with societal norms. You were comparing trans* problems to your own, probably because you simply don't understand trans* problems.
 
MildSteel said:
Well, what do you think?
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Depends what you mean. If they want to be refereed to by a sex other than what they are in school "Sure". Have a right to dress how they want "Sure". Be able to change in the locker room of their choice "No". Be able to choose which bathroom to use "I honestly don't see why we don't either have a group bathroom for everyone, or else just have an extra bathroom for those who don't want to identify as their biological sex" I mean we do in public. Why is there a need to separate the sexes? People say "Since all the girls are going to be automatically raped". Well the case is that we do have some places that have group bathrooms(Mostly considered family rooms) and some places that either have one bathroom everyone shares and can be used one at a time, or else only have a group bathroom and all the stalls are covered like in the female bathrooms. So that disproves the case that men and women having the same bathroom means that rape is going to be 100% thing to happen every time a male and a female enter at the same time. Should we have exclusive sex bathrooms at bars (Yes) but anywhere else, I do not think anything will really come of it. I also seen people run into the wrong bathroom since the one they were suppose to use is out of order. In most areas the male/Female bathroom separation does not really make a huge difference. The only place where I think it might would be bars, but those places are notorious for rape anyways.
 
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Any man who thinks "Rape" and bathrooms, has much more to worry about than what parts someone has.....they need to worry about psychiatric evaluation and prison.
 
tecoyah said:
Any man who thinks "Rape" and bathrooms, has much more to worry about than what parts someone has.....they need to worry about psychiatric evaluation and prison.
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I heard this argument from concerned women too. Not just men stating it.
 
MisterLogical said:
I heard this argument from concerned women too. Not just men stating it.
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And I once heard someone, someplace mutter something that I'm going to use to make my point seem valid to someone, sometime as soon as I make it up and need it.
 
tecoyah said:
And I once heard someone, someplace mutter something that I'm going to use to make my point seem valid to someone, sometime as soon as I make it up and need it.
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No, actually this was a debate on another website. A lot of people brought up "But what about rape"! That is the argument people kept using. If we have public bathrooms that let men and woman in the same bathroom area there will be rape, so we should not do so. So I think if there was a proposed idea and more than one person brings up the same point, its a concern that more than one person would have. I think the outcry was mostly women though.
 
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