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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    And the who has XY chromosomes and was born with girl parts?

    What about the one who has both XY and XX (i.e. a chimera)? Which one are they?
    Rare genetic or hormonal defects that make up a small fraction of a percent of the population. I'll fully admit that such persons are not necessarily fully male nor fully female, but their condition has nothing to do with how sex selection takes place in the vast majority of humans. They're certainly not relevant to the madness of those who are unambiguously male or unambiguously female claiming to be the opposite of what they are.

    For more than 99% of the population, what I stated is absolutely true: they are either fully male or fully female, as defined and established by XY or XX chromosomes, respectively, and by their body's sexual characteristics having been formed accordingly.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Rare genetic or hormonal defects that make up a small fraction of a percent of the population. I'll fully admit that such persons are not necessarily fully male nor fully female, but their condition has nothing to do with how sex selection takes place in the vast majority of humans. They're certainly not relevant to the madness of those who are unambiguously male or unambiguously female claiming to be the opposite of what they are.

    For more than 99% of the population, what I stated is absolutely true: they are either fully male or fully female, as defined and established by XY or XX chromosomes, respectively, and by their body's sexual characteristics having been formed accordingly.
    Ok now show me the studies that show that all the transgenders are not chimeric or have other genetic anomalies. You are arguing that these people are one thing or the other because of what is between their legs, yet you can't show whether or not their condition is part of a genetic or hormonal condition.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Ok now show me the studies that show that all the transgenders are not chimeric or have other genetic anomalies. You are arguing that these people are one thing or the other because of what is between their legs, yet you can't show whether or not their condition is part of a genetic or hormonal condition.
    Can you? Are we supposed to prove a negative here?

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Can you? Are we supposed to prove a negative here?
    Actually you're supposed to prove a positive. That those who are claiming transgendered are in possession of only one set of DNA across their body and/or are free of genetic anomalies that would cause a conflict between internal and physical selves.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Actually you're supposed to prove a positive. That those who are claiming transgendered are in possession of only one set of DNA across their body and/or are free of genetic anomalies that would cause a conflict between internal and physical selves.
    So basically you want bob to prove something to be false that has no evidence of being true in the first place. That isn't like religious people asking atheists to prove god doesn't exist how?

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Ok now show me the studies that show that all the transgenders are not chimeric or have other genetic anomalies. You are arguing that these people are one thing or the other because of what is between their legs, yet you can't show whether or not their condition is part of a genetic or hormonal condition.
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    There's no evidence that the vast majority of “transgender” people have the extremely-rare genetic conditions that you cite. If you're going to claim that they do, then it's on you to support that claim. Lacking significant support, it is most rational to assume that they do not.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    There's no evidence that the vast majority of “transgender” people have the extremely-rare genetic conditions that you cite. If you're going to claim that they do, then it's on you to support that claim. Lacking significant support, it is most rational to assume that they do not.
    Like I said, he wants you to prove a negative.

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically you want bob to prove something to be false that has no evidence of being true. That isn't like religious people asking atheists to prove god doesn't exist how?
    You two have made a claim. A claim cannot be proven false in and of it self short of proving something else exclusive to the claim. You can only prove the claim true, or not prove it true. When the latter occurs, it does not prove the claim false.

    The claim is that a "transwoman" is a man because the individual was born with a penis and has the XY combination. The inverse is also claimed regarding transmen. Yet you cannot positively support your claim and show that transwomen only have the XY combination with no other DNA within their bodies or other genetic anomalies that would cause the inner/outer conflict. Anomalies that you even note places such an individual outside the argument.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Like I said, he wants you to prove a negative.
    That's only a small part of his error. Much bigger is, on hearing hoofbeats, to assume that a zebra is running nearby, than a horse.

    It is only a very tiny portion of humanity—much less than one percent—who are biologically deviant from the clear distinction between male and female. There is no evidence that this deviation, known as “intersex”, is any more or less common among “transgenders” than along people who are not confused and deluded about their sexual identity.

    Transgenderism and Intersex are two completely different defects, that have nothing to do with one another. One is physical/biological, and the other is purely a delusional mental illness.

    Maquiscat is putting forth a theory that is extremely unlikely to be true, and rather than taking responsibility to defend his theory, he is trying to put the burden on me to disprove it. It's not my responsibility, nor anyone else's, to disprove a theory that is not supported by any evidence, and which, by all indications, is highly unlikely to be true. The burden is entirely on anyone who posits such a theory to attempt to prove that it is true, or at least to prove that it is plausible. Maquiscat has not done so, and cannot do so.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    There's no evidence that the vast majority of “transgender” people have the extremely-rare genetic conditions that you cite. If you're going to claim that they do, then it's on you to support that claim. Lacking significant support, it is most rational to assume that they do not.
    First off, how many things have we discovered are not as rare as we once thought they were simply because we now know more medically and genetically? So the question first is, are these things rare or unrecognized? Secondly, I make no claim as to the cause of transgenderism. I merely note that there could be other factors in play, factors that you call anomalies, that could cause this conflict. You are the ones making the claim that trans only have the one set of DNA with no anomalies.
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