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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    i was actually joking there.

    But in all seriousness, i've accidentally used the men's restroom at walmart before (didn't even notice the urinals until i was leaving, that's how bad i had to go). And i've seen and known women who used the men's restrooms, even with men in there, because the line for the women's restroom was too long.
    yes i have hear of it at sports events, because there are not enough women's restrooms...which is where my comment is based.


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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes i have hear of it at sports events, because there are not enough women's restrooms...which is where my comment is based.
    My experience was actually at bars. My friend was pretty bold and wasn't afraid at all to use the men's restroom, even if the place was crowded.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My experience was actually at bars. My friend was pretty bold and wasn't afraid at all to use the men's restroom, even if the place was crowded.
    that is because men don't really care, especially if the woman is "hot"


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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That tells me quite a bit right there.

    I'll be straight up with you. What you would like to do is nice. But the problem is that while sometimes sentiments may be nice, they don't conform to reality very well in certain instances.

    It's like this. Sid Gillman derived pro offenses, such as the Air Coryell offenses are nice and elegant. However, they require receivers like Randy Moss and quarterbacks like Daute Culpepper to make it work. It doesn't work with wide receivers who are only capable of running one hundred yards in 12 seconds or quarterbacks who can only throw 20 yards. Not only that but you need coaches who understand it's strengths and weaknesses. So you need coaches like Larry Coryell, not the simple minded tight T formation coaches of the little leagues. Such simple minded coaches will only get people seriously hurt. Currently society is not made up of the Randy Moss's, Daute Culpepper's, or Larry Coryell's in the analogous sense to do what you would like to do. Your post demonstrates that you don't understand this and bears witness that such is the state of the world today.
    You're confusing two different problems. One is the law, that is what this thread is about. The other is public perception and recognition of gender equality. Applying laws based on biology seem to hurt transsexuals by not allowing their transition, although it wouldn't prohibit any of the behaviors involved in that transition. Applying laws based on gender seems the compassionate solution, but can lead to more problems such as transmen getting pregnant in prison, and it only reinforces traditional false sexist stereotypes.

    I agree that society might not be ready to ignore gender, but if you codify the differences as law how is that going to advance things? A child born today as male who wants to wear a dress (for example) is likely to be told maybe he's actually female, instead of being told it's fine for boys to wear dresses. Of course he's going to identify as transgender, because people are thinking in terms of behavior rather than biology. The problem with this is that he might not identify with all the other parts of being female - no one really wants to be a stereotype. Every person should be able to do whatever they want, and categorizing people by behavior or mode of thinking instead of by biology makes that goal harder to achieve.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well, what do you think?
    Yes. This is another one of those culture fights that opponents are certain to lose. The fact that we're even having this discussion is a sign of how much ground cultural conservatism has lost over the past two decades.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Yes. This is another one of those culture fights that opponents are certain to lose. The fact that we're even having this discussion is a sign of how much ground cultural conservatism has lost over the past two decades.
    This one is different though. On the other issues they're wrong, but on this one they are factually correct.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My experience was actually at bars. My friend was pretty bold and wasn't afraid at all to use the men's restroom, even if the place was crowded.
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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    This one is different though. On the other issues they're wrong, but on this one they are factually correct.
    Anatomically correct at least. Regardless they will lose. You can choose to die on the hill over this but the outcome of this fight is clear. It's just a matter of time.

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    re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Anatomically correct at least. Regardless they will lose. You can choose to die on the hill over this but the outcome of this fight is clear. It's just a matter of time.
    Not one doctor will say hormones and surgery bridges the gap and nor will any other expert. They are wrong on everything so they run to redherrings and irrelevant genetic diseases that just leave them looking stupid when the truth behind those conditions are told to them. They literally have nothing but appearances, falsehoods, and emotion. All biological facts are against them. The treatment doesn't even fix the underling issue, ffs. Oh, and anatomically they are in fact wrong as well.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    You're confusing two different problems.
    No I am not. They are the same problem. The main problem is that there is simply not the type of leadership in society today to implement what you would like to put forward. It requires a very deep level of understanding and detachment from mundane influence to do such. People who don't have these types of qualifications will simply get people hurt. Therefore it is better to have laws that can deal with the situation at hand in a practical manner.

    That is to be quite frank.

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