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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

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    Odd. The name of the genes should have been mentioned in your research material.
    My research has been accumulated over many many years and is derived from many different sources/articles and my own personal experiences. Like I said, I'm no expert and would never claim to be such. Everything that I have said here comes from my own general understanding of genetics. However if you wish here is one article that shows that genetics for male vs female isn't near as simple as you or celtic may think.

    In most individuals with 46,XX testicular disorder of sex development, the condition results from an abnormal exchange of genetic material between chromosomes (translocation). This exchange occurs as a random event during the formation of sperm cells in the affected person's father. The translocation affects the gene responsible for development of a fetus into a male (the SRY gene). The SRY gene, which is normally found on the Y chromosome, is misplaced in this disorder, almost always onto an X chromosome. A fetus with an X chromosome that carries the SRY gene will develop as a male despite not having a Y chromosome.
    What is the X chromosome?

    As you can see here some people may not even HAVE a Y (male) chromosome, and yet are still physically male. What this also shows though is that everyone does have a X (female) chromosome.

    Now what is also generally known is that gene's have varying strengths. Some are more dominant and others are not and some are just plain inactive. IE: It's not such a black and white topic of one gene being the end all be all of a genetic string. There are a million plus genetic variations that make up the human genome all by itself. Indeed, as my article shows the X chromosome just by itself spans 155 million dna building blocks.

    So faced with this, are you really so sure that it is as simple as XY = Male PERIOD and XX = Female PERIOD? Do you see how I came to write what I did in my post #47?
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    My research has been accumulated over many many years and is derived from many different sources/articles and my own personal experiences. Like I said, I'm no expert and would never claim to be such. Everything that I have said here comes from my own general understanding of genetics. However if you wish here is one article that shows that genetics for male vs female isn't near as simple as you or celtic may think.



    What is the X chromosome?

    As you can see here some people may not even HAVE a Y (male) chromosome, and yet are still physically male. What this also shows though is that everyone does have a X (female) chromosome.

    Now what is also generally known is that gene's have varying strengths. Some are more dominant and others are not and some are just plain inactive. IE: It's not such a black and white topic of one gene being the end all be all of a genetic string. There are a million plus genetic variations that make up the human genome all by itself. Indeed, as my article shows the X chromosome just by itself spans 155 million dna building blocks.

    So faced with this, are you really so sure that it is as simple as XY = Male PERIOD and XX = Female PERIOD? Do you see how I came to write what I did in my post #47?
    When did I say that? You need to defend your case towards transgenders, not refer to genetic diseases that I have already admitted exist.

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When did I say that? You need to defend your case towards transgenders, not refer to genetic diseases that I have already admitted exist.
    Each of the following posts shows that you consider it to be a simple black and white issue. A person that has XY chromosomes is male. A person that has XX chromosomes is female. Period. There is no other possibility except through genetic diseases. Nor was my post aimed at letting you know that genetic diseases do or don't exist. That would be a silly thing to do considering. My posts are there to inform you that it is not such a black and white issue.

    Now, as I've already admitted what is or isn't a defect is of course entirely subjective with the exception of those that cause harm, such as cancer. Whether it is or not is of course up to you. I'm not arguing that side of things. I'm just mainly here to show that it isn't near as simple as so many seem to think and have implied through their posts. However I would point out that by definition a "defect" is normally something that is considered undesirable and harmful to the whole of someone/something. Now transgenderism may be considered undesirable by people, but it is not harmful to that someone. Same essentially applies to genetic diseases btw. As such categorizing transgenders as "defects" or "genetic diseases" isn't actually all that accurate.

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    No, they are men.
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    If you define gender as someone that takes hormones and got surgery then you're defining it in a stupid way.
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    An XX man or an XY women are not trangenders. XX men and XY women are people that suffer from a genetic disease. Your improper classification was ignored for a reason.
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    That doesn't debunk her argument. All you are talking about is human development in the above paragraphs. The Y chromosome and it's genetic importance still exists regardless of your argument.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    If the individual has gone through the procedure and hormone treatment then sure. In other words If you have the mindset of a female the genitalia of a female as well as the hormones of a female then you are indeed a female.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    lol, where do I admit it? quote please.
    Post 404. I already quoted you. You are being deliberately obtuse.


    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post

    *sigh*

    I guarantee you I am far more tolerant and have less prejudices than you.
    That's a bit like a guarantee from Oprah that she won't touch the jam tarts.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Post 404. I already quoted you. You are being deliberately obtuse.

    saying I don't care what people do or how they live is "bigoted"?

    Really?



    That's a bit like a guarantee from Oprah that she won't touch the jam tarts.

    So is that like a "black joke" or a "obesity" insult?


    I'm sure in your 90% white country you live in you can pontificate on how un-prejudiced you are and congadjulate yourself on your "tolerance" all while being the most intolerant in this thread. *shrug*
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ok, so why should facts be patronising?
    Your assertions about transgenders are hardly "facts" - the world had moved on, but on planet Henrin it's still 1956.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    saying I don't care what people do or how they live is "bigoted"?

    Really?
    Now YOU show me the post where I actually said that. You are selectively quoting and twisting words. I said you were a bigot for other reasons, as you well know.




    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So is that like a "black joke" or a "obesity" insult?


    I'm sure in your 90% white country you live in you can pontificate on how un-prejudiced you are and congadjulate yourself on your "tolerance" all while being the most intolerant in this thread. *shrug*
    Get over yourself. That Oprah is black is irrelevant. YOU are the person reading race into this (what a surprise?)

    Metropolitan France is probably more than 90% white. According to INSEE in 2010 we were 87.7% French by origin plus another 4.4% French by acquisition. They didn't see the need to break that down by colour, disappointingly for you. Amazing you quote the figure you do, since you and your friends are usually trying to paint a picture of a France over-run by dark and dusky muslims. I happen to be partnered with a black African muslim and no, that's neither tolerance nor being trendy, it's simply not having a hang up about peoples' race or origins.

    Oprah is a yo-yo dieter/gastric band-ite who despite pontificating to the world on every subject under the sun, evidently can't control it when it comes to the cake. She has made herslf a public figure and is hence a target for jokes. I couldn't give a $hit what colour she is, but evidently you do.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Now YOU show me the post where I actually said that. You are selectively quoting and twisting words. I said you were a bigot for other reasons, as you well know.

    That's exactly what I said in 404, you claimed it was me being "bigoted", I'm twisting nothing, you are making baseseless pc police accusations, again.


    Get over yourself. That Oprah is black is irrelevant. YOU are the person reading race into this (what a surprise?)
    I'm mocking your PC fascism.


    Metropolitan France is probably more than 90% white. According to INSEE in 2010 we were 87.7% French by origin plus another 4.4% French by acquisition. They didn't see the need to break that down by colour, disappointingly for you. Amazing you quote the figure you do, since you and your friends are usually trying to paint a picture of a France over-run by dark and dusky muslims. I happen to be partnered with a black African muslim and no, that's neither tolerance nor being trendy, it's simply not having a hang up about peoples' race or origins.

    I grew up on the lower east side of NYC, then in Newark NJ, in all my schools growing up, white was the minority, by far. I am on the board of 2 inner city youth clubs. race, has never been an issue to me, and I didn't have to marry someone to prove it.


    Oprah is a yo-yo dieter/gastric band-ite who despite pontificating to the world on every subject under the sun, evidently can't control it whern it comes to the cake. She has made herslf a public figure and is hence a target for jokes. I couldn't give a $hit what colour she is, but evidently you do.
    Not really, as I said, I was mocking your holier than thouh PC fascism.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Your assertions about transgenders are hardly "facts" - the world had moved on, but on planet Henrin it's still 1956.
    What did I get wrong?

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