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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    This is exactly circular reasoning. She's a woman because she's a woman. That statement is meaningless. Why is she still a woman? By what criteria? I am disputing your "fact" and you aren't supporting it by anything except circular reasoning.
    Wait a minute. You have become lost in your reasoning. This is your position.

    A woman has ovaries, a man has testicles, there is no more to being a man or woman than that.
    That is what YOU said, not me. What I am saying is that IF that is true, then we should observe that taking away the womans's ovaries would result in her no longer being a woman anymore. And since that is not the case, your position is flawed. It is not circular reasoning. That is taking your reasoning and demonstrating its glaring flaw. Again what you have done is demonstrate to the discerning eye that your mind is creating a distortion in the form of inventing an instance of circular reasoning when none exists. There is a motivation for this. While I cannot say exactly what it is, I would guess that it is coming from something that is making you uncomfortable with transwomen.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Wait a minute. You have become lost in your reasoning. This is your position.

    That is what YOU said, not me. What I am saying is that IF that is true, then we should observe that taking away the womans's ovaries would result in her no longer being a woman anymore. And since that is not the case, your position is flawed. It is not circular reasoning. That is taking your reasoning and demonstrating its glaring flaw. Again what you have done is demonstrate to the discerning eye that your mind is creating a distortion in the form of inventing an instance of circular reasoning when none exists. There is a motivation for this. While I cannot say exactly what it is, I would guess that it is coming from something that is making you uncomfortable with transwomen.
    LOL you don't understand that you haven't supported "and since that is not the case" by anything other than circular reasoning. My opinion is objective, yours is clouded by sympathy.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    LOL you don't understand that you haven't supported "and since that is not the case" by anything other than circular reasoning.
    And you don't understand that you either have to put forward the rather absurd notion that they cease to be women when they have their ovaries removed, or accept the rather common observation that women who have their ovaries removed do not cease to be women. For example, my mother had a hysterectomy done when I was young. I did not observe that she ceased to be a woman at that time and as a matter of fact I wasn't aware that she had it done until she told me recently that she had it done long ago. So either you put forward the absurd notion that the thousands of women who have their ovaries removed each year cease to be women at that point, or we can accept the common observation that they are still women after they have their ovaries removed.

    So what is it? Do you have such a strong need to discriminate that in order to facilitate your discrimination are you going to say that the thousands of women who have their ovaries removed cease to be women at that point?

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's a simplified way to put the issue, but the basic point is, no waving penises in front of 7 year old girls, regardless of your opinion of it.
    A person with a penis isn't going to be waving it in front of anyone in a female bathroom, since they go in stalls with doors closed.....though I am on the fence about which washroom pre-ops should use. Probably the best solution is to use the 'family/disabled' washrooms, where they exist. (more places should have them anyway)

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well, what do you think?
    Not no but hell no...Would you want your wife or daughter using the same bathroom as a guy who thinks he is a woman?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I can easily see a pedophile dressing up and pretending to be a transgender person just to, at the very least, take a peek at some little girl.
    peeping at little girls?
    I guess im having trouble following the scenario

    like in the case of planet fittness, they had private changing stalls, and in my personal experience any time ive been to a gym and the majority choose to be naked (which is personally weird to me) children were almost never around or could avoid those areas or again had private areas.

    Also what about CURRENT pedophiles right now, pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescents and the gender preference is typically one of convenience. Meaning what ever you have access too.

    My point is pedophiles dont need to be in the opposite gender locker rooms to see things that might excite them, if child nudity is already present in a locker room (which in my case Ive almost never seen, maybe a hand full of times in my life) they can already see it in thier current locker room.

    I'm not saying thats OK, im just saying this doesnt "increase" the chances of your scenario happening unless Im not understanding your premise
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Not no but hell no...Would you want your wife or daughter using the same bathroom as a guy who thinks he is a woman?
    WHy would I care?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And you don't understand that you either have to put forward the rather absurd notion that they cease to be women when they have their ovaries removed, or accept the rather common observation that women who have their ovaries removed do not cease to be women. For example, my mother had a hysterectomy done when I was young. I did not observe that she ceased to be a woman at that time and as a matter of fact I wasn't aware that she had it done until she told me recently that she had it done long ago. So either you put forward the absurd notion that the thousands of women who have their ovaries removed each year cease to be women at that point, or we can accept the common observation that they are still women after they have their ovaries removed.

    So what is it? Do you have such a strong need to discriminate that in order to facilitate your discrimination are you going to say that the thousands of women who have their ovaries removed cease to be women at that point?
    Again with the discrimination accusation. You keep repeating the same tactics, attack the opponent and talk in circles.

    You must be not very close to your mother if you didn't realize she had major surgery. But as far as not noticing, it doesn't matter if you can tell the difference between a man and a woman. The internet has proven that I cannot. Even science and the Olympics sometimes have trouble telling. It doesn't matter because you should treat people the same no matter what their gender. You shouldn't have different expectations depending on their sex. Nothing in your argument matters, the only thing that does is reproductive function.

    Ovaries are the logical criteria to define who is female, and a woman is an adult female. You can say that taking out the ovaries makes them neuter, ie no longer a woman, or you can say that being female at birth makes them always a female, and thus always a woman. In fact, you can even call them a man if you want, there is no significant distinction there to me (though there are some significant legal conflicts regarding same sex marriage, those will likely be overruled in a matter of weeks).

    It's not in any way an absurd notion that someone who is neutered is no longer female, if you learn to speak of biology rather than public perception. If you want to play semantic games, you can even take over those terms entirely, and define "woman" and "female" by self-identification or anything else you want. As long as you don't base the laws on those terms. What does matter is having a man that can get pregnant, or a woman that can impregnate, because this possibility defeats the purpose of gender-specific laws.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I can easily see a pedophile dressing up and pretending to be a transgender person just to, at the very least, take a peek at some little girl.
    There are gay pedophiles, there are female pedophiles, there are even legitimately transgendered pedophiles. Preventing a sex change doesn't solve this problem, not a relevant issue. Except to say that pedophiles shouldn't be discriminated against any more than transsexuals should.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:65]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Not no but hell no...Would you want your wife or daughter using the same bathroom as a guy who thinks he is a woman?
    I care as much as you did sharing the shipboard facilities with gay men for all those years. Who would know?
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