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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    /facepalm

    You know, there is a reason people evolved to have different skin tones and it was helpful to people to live in their environments. There is and there was any benefit to being intersex. It is a genetic disease, period.
    Deviating from societal norms isn't an inherent disease.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So this rare syndrome proves what? This is a biological condition.
    What it demonstrates is that basing the experience of being a woman on XX chromosomes is flawed because there are women with XY chromosomes.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    You've demonstrated what the perception is of what being a woman means, but that's not the definition that matters. Biology matters. Perception can be changed.
    You have made a subjective value judgement based on what you want others to be. Not only that but the biological basis that you are so fond of is flawed. There are indeed women with XY chromosomes and who don't have the female organs necessary for reproduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    Much better to base laws on actual physical reality that cannot be altered and has real-world reproductive consequences, than to base laws on stereotypes that are proven wrong every day and have no specific or persistent meaning and fail to define the issue in a useful, practical way.
    You are basing your assessment on immutable laws that don't exist.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Deviating from societal norms isn't an inherent disease.
    Sigh. This has nothing to do with social norms. Please look up the condition you brought up. The genetic condition does have adverse affects on the individual.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What it demonstrates is that basing the experience of being a woman on XX chromosomes is flawed because there are women with XY chromosomes.
    Genetic disease. Seriously, do you guys have an example that's not a genetic disease?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I spent eighteen years working as a data analyst I know something about evaluating outliers, and determining what significance, if any, to attribute to them relative to the normal data.

    In this case, the outliers simply do not mean what you want them to mean.

    There's a very clear, unambiguous process, by which sex-determination takes place in mammals. 99.8% of the time, it happens exactly as it is supposed to; the creature is conceived with XY or XX chromosomes, and fully formed during gestation and further during adolescence, to be either fully male, or fully female, respectively; leaving no rational basis on which to claim that there is any such thing as “gender” that doesn't match the biological sex. Even the “transgenders” who are the topic of this thread, are, in the vast majority of instances, products of a correctly-executed sex-selection, and their “gender”-related delusions and claims notwithstanding, their biological sex is unambiguous and undeniable.

    The outliers in this case are caused by defects in the sex-selection process, resulting either from genetic abnormalities or hormone-related abnormalities. They are extremely rare, and the manner in which they differ from normal cases has no relevance to how sex-selection takes place in normal cases. They are “valid data” only in that they demonstrate that once in a great while, the process that normally occurs without a hitch goes rather badly astray, producing a freak result.
    Since you appear to know something about the scientific method here's something for you. If you just flew in from Pluto and knew nothing at all about cars and I told you that my car will not run without gas, it would be very easy to verify that. When the car runs out of gas, it simply will not run. Therefore we can most certainly associate the causality of the energy that makes the car run with the gasoline that is put into it. In this case, you want to associate the causality of being female with XX chromosomes. But we can indeed observe that there are females with XY chromosomes. This leads us to conclude that while the condition of being female has a strong correlation with the presence of XX chromosomes, we cannot assign the causality with such because we observe that there are females with XY chromosomes. That's the bottom line.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Genetic disease. Seriously, do you guys have an example that's not a genetic disease?
    Do you have any idea what causality is? There are women without XX chromosomes, therefore you cannot associate the causality of being a woman with XX chromosomes.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you have any idea what causality is? There are women without XX chromosomes, therefore you cannot associate the causality of being a woman with XX chromosomes.
    You do know a woman with XY has a genetic disease, right?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sigh. This has nothing to do with social norms. Please look up the condition you brought up. The genetic condition does have adverse affects on the individual.
    Again, "adverse" involves context. If you're defining the context that isn't objective.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do know a woman with XY has a genetic disease, right?
    The fact is that there are women who have XY chromosomes. That tells you that the causality of being a woman IS NOT the presence of XX chromosomes.

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