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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Seriously, it is literally a genetic disease. That is a defect.
    genetic differences is part of why humans have been so successful. We define a deviation as a disease or as a helpful mutation. Defect is a social concept.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The point is that outliers are valid data even if they're not representative of the majority.

    Science isn't about ignoring data that conflicts with your hypothesis.
    I.e. most of us don't consider being left-handed as a defect or a disease, even if it's an outlier.

    Bob Blaylock has different ideas.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The point is that outliers are valid data even if they're not representative of the majority.

    Science isn't about ignoring data that conflicts with your hypothesis.
    I spent eighteen years working as a data analyst I know something about evaluating outliers, and determining what significance, if any, to attribute to them relative to the normal data.

    In this case, the outliers simply do not mean what you want them to mean.

    There's a very clear, unambiguous process, by which sex-determination takes place in mammals. 99.8% of the time, it happens exactly as it is supposed to; the creature is conceived with XY or XX chromosomes, and fully formed during gestation and further during adolescence, to be either fully male, or fully female, respectively; leaving no rational basis on which to claim that there is any such thing as “gender” that doesn't match the biological sex. Even the “transgenders” who are the topic of this thread, are, in the vast majority of instances, products of a correctly-executed sex-selection, and their “gender”-related delusions and claims notwithstanding, their biological sex is unambiguous and undeniable.

    The outliers in this case are caused by defects in the sex-selection process, resulting either from genetic abnormalities or hormone-related abnormalities. They are extremely rare, and the manner in which they differ from normal cases has no relevance to how sex-selection takes place in normal cases. They are “valid data” only in that they demonstrate that once in a great while, the process that normally occurs without a hitch goes rather badly astray, producing a freak result.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    genetic differences is part of why humans have been so successful. We define a deviation as a disease or as a helpful mutation. Defect is a social concept.
    You do realize this is not a helpful mutation, right? Please stop arguing with the use of generic arguments and research genetic diseases.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I.e. most of us don't consider being left-handed as a defect or a disease, even if it's an outlier.

    Bob Blaylock has different ideas.
    Perhaps you should leave it to me to express what my ideas are, and how they differ from what other ideas. KLess risk, that way, of embarrassing yourself by being caught saying something that is both wrong and incredibly stupid, as you just did.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I.e. most of us don't consider being left-handed as a defect or a disease, even if it's an outlier.

    Bob Blaylock has different ideas.
    Can you please look up intersex, geez.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do realize this is not a helpful mutation, right? Please stop arguing with the use of generic arguments and research genetic diseases.
    "Helpful" is defined by context. It's not "helpful" to have limited melanin in an area with heavy sun exposure. It's not "helpful" to have excessive melanin in an area with limited sun exposure. Neither is objectively helpful.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I spent eighteen years working as a data analyst I know something about evaluating outliers, and determining what significance, if any, to attribute to them relative to the normal data.

    In this case, the outliers simply do not mean what you want them to mean.

    There's a very clear, unambiguous process, by which sex-determination takes place in mammals. 99.8% of the time, it happens exactly as it is supposed to; the creature is conceived with XY or XX chromosomes, and fully formed during gestation and further during adolescence, to be either fully male, or fully female, respectively; leaving no rational basis on which to claim that there is any such thing as “gender” that doesn't match the biological sex. Even the “transgenders” who are the topic of this thread, are, in the vast majority of instances, products of a correctly-executed sex-selection, and their “gender”-related delusions and claims notwithstanding, their biological sex is unambiguous and undeniable.

    The outliers in this case are caused by defects in the sex-selection process, resulting either from genetic abnormalities or hormone-related abnormalities. They are extremely rare, and the manner in which they differ from normal cases has no relevance to how sex-selection takes place in normal cases. They are “valid data” only in that they demonstrate that once in a great while, the process that normally occurs without a hitch goes rather badly astray, producing a freak result.
    Everything that's alive today was created by a "defect." That doesn't make archeo bacteria the norm and the rest of the planet defects.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    "Helpful" is defined by context. It's not "helpful" to have limited melanin in an area with heavy sun exposure. It's not "helpful" to have excessive melanin in an area with limited sun exposure. Neither is objectively helpful.
    /facepalm

    You know, there is a reason people evolved to have different skin tones and it was helpful to people to live in their environments. There is and there was any benefit to being intersex. It is a genetic disease, period.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Wrong, not all women have ovaries. I have clearly demonstrated how that is not the case. There is no need to go further, unless you have another line of thought to put forward.
    You've demonstrated what the perception is of what being a woman means, but that's not the definition that matters. Biology matters. Perception can be changed. Much better to base laws on actual physical reality that cannot be altered and has real-world reproductive consequences, than to base laws on stereotypes that are proven wrong every day and have no specific or persistent meaning and fail to define the issue in a useful, practical way.
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