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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So the answer is "yes" any man who claims to be a woman, no matter what, has a right to use the ladies room.

    I disagree.
    Many "men", from what many of those against recognizing transgendered women as women believe, can enter the ladies' room now and not have anyone notice. Are you going to set up a "pecker checker" at the door of every restroom, locker room, and changing room in America? Make people show their ID to prove they are a woman or a man before they can enter one of these places? Or are you just going to arrest/harass anyone who "looks" like they might be a man or woman in the wrong restroom, locker room, etc.?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Many "men", from what many of those against recognizing transgendered women as women believe, can enter the ladies' room now and not have anyone notice. Are you going to set up a "pecker checker" at the door of every restroom, locker room, and changing room in America? Make people show their ID to prove they are a woman or a man before they can enter one of these places? Or are you just going to arrest/harass anyone who "looks" like they might be a man or woman in the wrong restroom, locker room, etc.?



    If you are at a front desk at a gym, and you see that guy above walking into the ladies room, you aren't going to bat an eye?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    What guy? What would happen if he did go in, use a stall like everyone else, and leave? Are we arresting people for what they MIGHT do now?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well that is just purposely missing the point to support an illogical argument.
    No, that's pointing out that concept and reality do not perfectly match up. Your concept of "man" or "woman" is not absolute.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If you are at a front desk at a gym, and you see that guy above walking into the ladies room, you aren't going to bat an eye?
    The gym said that they let people into the locker room of the gender they "sincerely" identified as. That would mean that the person would almost certainly be dressed as a woman. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't be trying to take advantage of any policy or pretending to be a woman just for access to women's locker rooms.

    Plus, assuming that he is going to commit a crime just because you identify him as a him walking into a women's restroom (despite presenting himself as a "her") is actually a form of thought policing. And you can't say "well the policy only applies to men who can't pass as women".

    Would it be okay for people to harass "Caroline" for not quite looking like a woman despite being intersexed and simply wanting to enter the ladies' restroom?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    What guy? What would happen if he did go in, use a stall like everyone else, and leave? Are we arresting people for what they MIGHT do now?



    Go up a few posts. consider what I am saying, then try again.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The gym said that they let people into the locker room of the gender they "sincerely" identified as. That would mean that the person would almost certainly be dressed as a woman. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't be trying to take advantage of any policy or pretending to be a woman just for access to women's locker rooms.
    how and who determines who's "sincere"? are you saying men who want to be women must follow a dress code?


    Plus, assuming that he is going to commit a crime just because you identify him as a him walking into a women's restroom (despite presenting himself as a "her") is actually a form of thought policing. And you can't say "well the policy only applies to men who can't pass as women".
    Wait, you engage in "thought policing" then accuse me of it? lol


    I see a creepy looking dude trying to get into a womens locker room, I might say something, even if he claims to be a woman.


    Would it be okay for people to harass "Caroline" for not quite looking like a woman despite being intersexed and simply wanting to enter the ladies' restroom?

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    that's biological, that's not the same.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    No, that's pointing out that concept and reality do not perfectly match up. Your concept of "man" or "woman" is not absolute.
    No, what you're doing is looking at natural differences within a given sex and then using that to claim a surgical and hormonally altered male is a female.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    how and who determines who's "sincere"? are you saying men who want to be women must follow a dress code?

    Wait, you engage in "thought policing" then accuse me of it? lol

    I see a creepy looking dude trying to get into a womens locker room, I might say something, even if he claims to be a woman.

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    that's biological, that's not the same.
    Just let them go into which one they want to go into then.

    The question is, are you going to check to ensure she doesn't have one or he does? Are you going to check DNA to see?

    I'm actually okay with a place opening a unisex bathroom/locker room, but doubt such a thing would go over very well with others. Not likely to go over very well to do this though for the general public.

    And as for Caroline, how would you know that she was intersexed? Should she be obligated to tell you rather than simply say "I'm a woman", despite having been raised for 40 years as a man? How much should someone be forced to share in such a situation where they are stopped and asked about their gender? How do you prove they aren't lying?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post

    Just let them go into which one they want to go into then.

    The question is, are you going to check to ensure she doesn't have one or he does? Are you going to check DNA to see?

    I'm actually okay with a place opening a unisex bathroom/locker room, but doubt such a thing would go over very well with others. Not likely to go over very well to do this though for the general public.

    And as for Caroline, how would you know that she was intersexed? Should she be obligated to tell you rather than simply say "I'm a woman", despite having been raised for 40 years as a man? How much should someone be forced to share in such a situation where they are stopped and asked about their gender? How do you prove they aren't lying?



    you do know, this "intersex" is like .005% of the population, not really something you can latch onto those who choose to look like the opposite sex.


    obama put in a unisex bathroom in the whitehouse.


    and again, I don't care who uses what bathroom, I simply think you all are not considering the unintended consequences.
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