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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    I would if you had something to offer... as it is though you ignore facts and that does not warrant you an opportunity to Downstairs Wonderland...

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Sterile, disrespectful posts do not contain substance. They are what they are, shallow and childish.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The parents did. However, it should be going back to court, probably due to the questions about legal same sex marriages and gender recognition.

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    Yes! I remember that. I felt so sorry for her. Here is a wedding picture



    Looks like the a Texas appeals court overturned a lower court ruling. So the case is still being litigated. It is a good example of the types of trials and tribulations that transgendered women face



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    Thanks for the updates. I hope she does prevail.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    I've no problem using the womens' bathroom with transwomen, or using mixed facilities with men. YOU GO INTO THE CUBICLE AND YOU LOCK THE FREAKING DOOR. It's actually quite simple.
    So, lets say a convicted sex offender who's raped women, decides one day he's a woman, and starts dressing like one, would you still have "no problem"?


    and yeah, as I said, personally I don't care who uses what bathrooms, but can see why others would have an issue with it.


    Note the man who claims ad nauseum not to be a bigot is now having a go at the trans community.

    right, there is that far left PC kook accusation again. Look, as I said numerous times, I don't care what you choose to do to your body, or what you believe you are. I have a problem being forced to accept others delusions as reality.

    I don't advocate discrimination, or any laws against these choices. I simply don't accept being forced to accept things which are not true.



    You are far less tolerant than I am. *shrug*
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I have already discussed it, but to repeat:

    The condition of being a woman is based on more than just a composition of chromosomes, and the nature of a person's reproductive system. This is easily demonstrated by THE FACT than some women have the chromosomal structure as males and do not have the organs necessary for reproduction. While it is true that such instances are exceptions, they are there nonetheless, and these individuals do not feel that they are not women as a result. In fact some do not notice it until they note that they do not experience the phenomenon of menstruation.



    Swyer syndrome

    Rather the condition of being a woman can be more accurately described as an experience characterized by such things as

    1. Sexuality
    2. Tastes in the presentation of appearance, such as choice of clothing
    3. Biological functions
    4. Anatomical structures
    5. Tastes in activity
    6. Tastes in aesthetics

    Although there is variance among women within these items, when we note a strong presence of some or all of these that are common to women in general, then we can say that the person is indeed undergoing the experience of being a woman. As such, it is not unrealistic to treat them in that way, at the very least in the legal sense.

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    So a few points

    1. Although one can put forward the notion that a women is someone who has XY chromosomes, we observe that there are women born with male chromosomes who identify themselves as female.

    2. Although some women who have the biological characteristics of female chromosomes and sexual reproductive organs, they still identify themselves as being male.

    3. Altering biological characteristics does not necessarily result in the self identification of being a woman.

    Therefore we can conclude that the experience of being a woman, although it is related to biological characteristics, is not necessarily dependent on them, i.e. there is more to being a woman than having female biological and anatomical characteristics.


    So this rare syndrome proves what? This is a biological condition.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Bottom line though, they have the right to be trans and people shouldn't stop them. But they also should never have the right to demand that others recognize their status, force their identity and definition of gender upon others or be recognized biologically as anything other than their birth sex.


    The whole post is right on. this is the bottom line.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So, lets say a convicted sex offender who's raped women, decides one day he's a woman, and starts dressing like one, would you still have "no problem"?

    and yeah, as I said, personally I don't care who uses what bathrooms, but can see why others would have an issue with it.

    right, there is that far left PC kook accusation again. Look, as I said numerous times, I don't care what you choose to do to your body, or what you believe you are. I have a problem being forced to accept others delusions as reality.

    I don't advocate discrimination, or any laws against these choices. I simply don't accept being forced to accept things which are not true.

    You are far less tolerant than I am. *shrug*
    A convicted sex offender would still have to register as their current name and with their current address. They would still be being tracked by law enforcement. Could there be issues? Sure. Could the transwoman changing with me in the locker room really be a sex offender? Yes. But so could the cisgender woman changing with me in the locker room.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A convicted sex offender would still have to register as their current name and with their current address. They would still be being tracked by law enforcement. Could there be issues? Sure. Could the transwoman changing with me in the locker room really be a sex offender? Yes. But so could the cisgender woman changing with me in the locker room.


    So, if this guy simply identifies himself as a woman, you'd be ok with sharing space with him er I mean "her"?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So, if this guy simply identifies himself as a woman, you'd be ok with sharing space with him er I mean "her"?

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    How would I know? I don't make it a point of memorizing the faces of sex offenders. Even if I were, I'd be much more interested in sex offenders who were child molesters or who were convicted of crimes against children than those against women. I know how to tell people, to scream, to protect myself at least to a point where, in a public restroom or locker room or changing room, someone should either be available or within hearing distance to help me. If not, then what is stopping any man like that from simply following me in the restroom/locker room/changing room and doing whatever without the extensive charade?
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How would I know? I don't make it a point of memorizing the faces of sex offenders. Even if I were, I'd be much more interested in sex offenders who were child molesters or who were convicted of crimes against children than those against women. I know how to tell people, to scream, to protect myself at least to a point where, in a public restroom or locker room or changing room, someone should either be available or within hearing distance to help me. If not, then what is stopping any man like that from simply following me in the restroom/locker room/changing room and doing whatever without the extensive charade?



    So the answer is "yes" any man who claims to be a woman, no matter what, has a right to use the ladies room.


    I disagree.
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