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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    But that is factually incorrect.
    No, you are the one that is incorrect.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, you are the one that is incorrect.
    Sorry, but biologically I'm 100% correct. What you want is a woman, not a man.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but biologically I'm 100% correct. What you want is a woman, not a man.
    It isn't your place to tell anyone what they want in a partner. An otherwise straight woman could want a transgender woman. Some marry a man and end up with a transgender woman that they stick out the marriage with because they love that person.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It isn't your place to tell anyone what they want in a partner. An otherwise straight woman could want a transgender woman. Some marry a man and end up with a transgender woman that they stick out the marriage with because they love that person.
    Hey, they can do whatever, but I see no reason to lie about anything.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Hey, they can do whatever, but I see no reason to lie about anything.
    There's no lie there.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I have already discussed it, but to repeat:

    The condition of being a woman is based on more than just a composition of chromosomes, and the nature of a person's reproductive system. This is easily demonstrated by THE FACT than some women have the chromosomal structure as males and do not have the organs necessary for reproduction. While it is true that such instances are exceptions, they are there nonetheless, and these individuals do not feel that they are not women as a result. In fact some do not notice it until they note that they do not experience the phenomenon of menstruation.



    Swyer syndrome

    Rather the condition of being a woman can be more accurately described as an experience characterized by such things as

    1. Sexuality
    2. Tastes in the presentation of appearance, such as choice of clothing
    3. Biological functions
    4. Anatomical structures
    5. Tastes in activity
    6. Tastes in aesthetics

    Although there is variance among women within these items, when we note a strong presence of some or all of these that are common to women in general, then we can say that the person is indeed undergoing the experience of being a woman. As such, it is not unrealistic to treat them in that way, at the very least in the legal sense.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064512300

    So a few points

    1. Although one can put forward the notion that a women is someone who has XY chromosomes, we observe that there are women born with male chromosomes who identify themselves as female.

    2. Although some women who have the biological characteristics of female chromosomes and sexual reproductive organs, they still identify themselves as being male.

    3. Altering biological characteristics does not necessarily result in the self identification of being a woman.

    Therefore we can conclude that the experience of being a woman, although it is related to biological characteristics, is not necessarily dependent on them, i.e. there is more to being a woman than having female biological and anatomical characteristics.
    You are attributing things to the "experience of being a woman" that are considered as such due to traditional gender roles, but have little or nothing to do with biological sex. Which stereotype you identify yourself with isn't important, because the stereotypes are wrong. A woman has ovaries, a man has testicles, there is no more to being a man or woman than that. These other things you attribute to men and women, ie masculinity and femininity, are false stereotypes dating from a culture before sexual equality existed.

    To say women are women because they act or feel a certain way (rather than because of a biological reproductive difference) is saying that women can only be feminine, and this is sexual discrimination. This would be akin to defining race by taste in music rather than ethnic heritage, or defining age by maturity level rather than chronology. Such views are false, prejudiced, outdated, vary by time and local culture, and should not be used to define gender, and definitely shouldn't be used to define laws.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:65]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well, what do you think?
    Of course

    some are already legally the gender they have transed too
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Only AFTER the sex change operation. Before then no. Too many chances and too easy to fake it for nefarious purposes. Yeah, its not fair to transgenders. It sucks having to worry about perverts (pedophilia by those that will no doubt fake it now that transgenderism is becoming more and more accepted) at the expense of transgenders. Well, more than sucks. :/

    And yes, I know that not everyone can afford a sex change operation. That is why I would support government help in getting that operation for free.
    ????? how does faking to be transgender possibly support a pedophile?
    that doesnt make any sense?
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I would have to very strongly object to my taxes being used to pay for something that is that blatantly insane and immoral.

    Government should not be used to support that which is overtly evil and destructive.

    I have to seriously question the ethics of any physician who would willingly take part in such madness, but at the very least, anyone who wants such treatment needs to pay for it out of his own pocket, and not impose that cost on others.




    It's easy not to care about an expense that you can force others to pay instead of taking responsibility for it yourself.
    another perfect example of bigoted and hateful statements, thanks bob
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. There are absolutely no stats to show that it is dangerous to a woman to have transgendered women changing in the locker rooms with them or for a policy that allows people into the locker room of the gender they identify as. And the women using the locker room, do not own the locker room. They don't get to make the policy about who uses it, the owners do.
    I hope that you are doing that on purpose... othewise I have lost all of my faith in you.

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