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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Looks like a pretty clear-cut case to me. The marriage was based on a fraud, in that the “wife” was really a man, who fraudulently presented himself as a woman. Even if the mockery of “same sex marriage” were recognized, this still was a fraudulent marriage, and the person who committed this fraud certainly does not deserve to profit from it. This creep belongs in prison.
    The fraud is people who want to impose a standards of gender and sex based on their malice. Therefore strong laws are needed to protect transgendered people from the malice of such persons.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    But that is factually incorrect.
    You like to make these assertions, but they are usually quite shallow. Your posts are better when you are thoughtful about what you have to say.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The fraud is people who want to impose a standards of gender and sex based on their malice. Therefore strong laws are needed to protect transgendered people from the malice of such persons.
    Well if the individual is a male and SSM(notice what the second S stands for) then it would be an illegal marriage.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Perhaps the same way that handicapped parking is allowed. I see the pass and assume it is legit. I don't know if the guy is really handicapped or not.
    And you don't know if the woman or man entering the locker room or restroom is really a man or a woman. No one is there to check to ensure either in the vast majority of places. Unless they are actually breaking a law, then what is the issue? So what if someone is uncomfortable? Wouldn't some women be just as uncomfortable with someone like China or "Caroline" from above in the restroom or locker room too? What about some bully from high school or someone wearing a burqa? How about a transgender man (you know a woman according to those who believe sex is immutable)? Afterall many transgendered men look an awful lot more like men than they do women.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well if the individual is a male and SSM(notice what the second S stands for) then it would be an illegal marriage.
    Please note your use of the word "IF."

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you don't know if the woman or man entering the locker room or restroom is really a man or a woman. No one is there to check to ensure either in the vast majority of places. Unless they are actually breaking a law, then what is the issue? So what if someone is uncomfortable? Wouldn't some women be just as uncomfortable with someone like China or "Caroline" from above in the restroom or locker room too? What about some bully from high school or someone wearing a burqa? How about a transgender man (you know a woman according to those who believe sex is immutable)? Afterall many transgendered men look an awful lot more like men than they do women.
    LOL @ bully in a burga!

    The BURGA BULLY!!!

    Not to belittle what you said at all. Good points!

    Just thought that was funny.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you don't know if the woman or man entering the locker room or restroom is really a man or a woman. No one is there to check to ensure either in the vast majority of places. Unless they are actually breaking a law, then what is the issue? So what if someone is uncomfortable? Wouldn't some women be just as uncomfortable with someone like China or "Caroline" from above in the restroom or locker room too? What about some bully from high school or someone wearing a burqa? How about a transgender man (you know a woman according to those who believe sex is immutable)? Afterall many transgendered men look an awful lot more like men than they do women.
    I know, you want to argue nudity and shared showers and anybody that has a problem with that is irrational and a bigot... I mean, you walked around naked and used to change in front of twenty sailers and were not attacked so everybody's got to feel the same or else we are irrational. Got it. Anything else?

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Meanwhile, ENDA, legislation that would offer transgendered people protection from discrimination, has been stalled in Congress since 1994. It's time to move forward folks.

    The Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) is legislation proposed in the United States Congress that would prohibit discrimination in hiring and employment on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity by employers with at least 15 employees.

    ENDA has been introduced in every Congress since 1994 except the 109th. Similar legislation has been introduced without passage since 1974.[1] The bill gained its best chance at passing after the Democratic Party gained the majority after twelve years of Republican majorities in the 2006 midterm elections. In 2007, gender identity protections were added to the legislation for the first time. Some sponsors believed that even with a Democratic majority, ENDA did not have enough votes to pass the House of Representatives with transgender inclusion and dropped it from the bill, which passed the House and then died in the Senate. President George W. Bush threatened to veto the measure. LGBT advocacy organizations and the LGBT community were divided over support of the modified bill.

    In 2009, following Democratic gains in the 2008 elections, and after the divisiveness of the 2007 debate, Rep. Barney Frank introduced a transgender-inclusive version of ENDA. He introduced it again in 2011, and Sen. Jeff Merkley introduced it in the Senate. On November 7, 2013, Merkley's bill passed the Senate with bipartisan support by a vote of 6432. President Barack Obama supports the bill's passage.
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    Employment Non-Discrimination Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Looks like a pretty clear-cut case to me. The marriage was based on a fraud, in that the “wife” was really a man, who fraudulently presented himself as a woman. Even if the mockery of “same sex marriage” were recognized, this still was a fraudulent marriage, and the person who committed this fraud certainly does not deserve to profit from it. This creep belongs in prison.
    There was no evidence that the separation was due to the husband not knowing about the sex change. The wife claimed that he did know earlier. In fact, according to her account, she still had male genitalia when they met, and he was there for her recovery. They were in fact already married when she had the surgery. She was legally a woman, but physically a man when they got married. I highly doubt he wouldn't have noticed.

    Page 4: Transgender Widow Sued by Husband's Family Over Benefits - ABC News
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There was no evidence that the separation was due to the husband not knowing about the sex change. The wife claimed that he did know earlier. In fact, according to her account, she still had male genitalia when they met, and he was there for her recovery. They were in fact already married when she had the surgery. She was legally a woman, but physically a man when they got married. I highly doubt he wouldn't have noticed.

    Page 4: Transgender Widow Sued by Husband's Family Over Benefits - ABC News
    Yep, that would have been hard not to notice.

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