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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Sure. It is no skin off my nose.
    Though I suppose it would be possible to utilize the skin from your nose to complete the transformative processes of genitalia.
    Either I'm right or you're wrong.

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You don't know what their chromosomes actually are.
    then if there is a worry that perhaps they do not reflect the phenotype, they can be easily checked. We already take blood samples from newborns to test for a whole host of things - it seems that would be a pretty easy one to run.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except very few people actually have seen theirs or anyone else's sex chromosomes. Not even a DNA test is common.
    Do you think you're an XX woman? What is the chances of that?

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    then if there is a worry that perhaps they do not reflect the phenotype, they can be easily checked. We already take blood samples from newborns to test for a whole host of things - it seems that would be a pretty easy one to run.
    It isn't. In fact, DNA tests are very extensive. And not all parts of a person's body necessarily contain the same DNA.

    I had my DNA tested twice to check for a blood disease my family has. They screwed up and checked for the more common deficiency, so had to do the test again.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you think you're an XX woman? What is the chances of that?
    Pretty good. But there are actually pretty good odds that I also have some XY chromosomes inside my body as well, especially since I've given birth to two sons.
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    Re: Should transwomen be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Though I suppose it would be possible to utilize the skin from your nose to complete the transformative processes of genitalia.
    As soon as I hit enter on that post I knew I was going to get a response somewhere along those lines.

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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That doesn't debunk her argument. All you are talking about is human development in the above paragraphs. The Y chromosome and it's genetic importance still exists regardless of your argument.
    Humans are one of the least sexual dimorphic species we know. Think of mallards or elephant seals, as a comparison. Almost all of our differences are between reproductive features, and even those shows how males and females are resultant from the same starting point. (The link is to the wikipedia table of homologues sexual organs. No pictures, only one medical-looking drawing near the end of the page.)

    How we develop and our phenotype ends up impacting our bodies a whole lot more than what our genes are the reference guides to. Ignoring the two sex chromosomes -- You may have a particular gene, but will it always be expressed? No, not unless it's entirely dominant.

    Also, the Y-chromosome?

    “Functional wasteland,” “Nonrecombining desert,” and “Gene-poor chromosome” are only some examples of the different definitions given to the Y chromosome in the last decade. In comparison to the other chromosomes, the Y is poor in genes, being more than 50% of its sequence composed of repeated elements. Moreover, the Y genes are in continuous decay probably due to the lack of recombination of this chromosome. But the human Y chromosome, at the same time, plays a central role in human biology. The presence or absence of this chromosome determines gonadal sex. Thus, mammalian embryos with a Y chromosome develop testes, while those without it develop ovaries (Polani [1]). What is responsible for the male phenotype is the testis-determining SRY gene (Sinclair [2]) which remains the most distinguishing characteristic of this chromosome.

    The human Y chromosome: the biological role of a “Functional wasteland”
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It isn't. In fact, DNA tests are very extensive. And not all parts of a person's body necessarily contain the same DNA.

    I had my DNA tested twice to check for a blood disease my family has. They screwed up and checked for the more common deficiency, so had to do the test again.
    And did the two tests come back with different gender results?
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    And did the two tests come back with different gender results?
    The Dutch sprinter Foekje Dillema was expelled from the 1950 national team after she refused a mandatory sex test in July 1950; later investigations revealed a Y-chromosome in her body cells, and the analysis showed that she probably was a 46,XX/46,XY mosaic female.
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    Re: Should perverted men who “identify” as women be legally treated as women?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Pretty good. But there are actually pretty good odds that I also have some XY chromosomes inside my body as well, especially since I've given birth to two sons.
    Yes, everyone does. Is that the argument you want to go with?

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