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Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

Do the wealthy have too much power in the United States?

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TurtleDude said:
wanting socialism or worse, communism, is hardly intelligent. and its true, communism is the religion of failures and those who want to oppress others by pandering to profound butt hurt
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Wanting capitalism is hardly intelligent, and it's true, capitalism is the religion of blood suckers and those who want to oppress others. See how this leads us no where? :roll:
 
Dovkan said:
Wanting capitalism is hardly intelligent, and it's true, capitalism is the religion of blood suckers and those who want to oppress others. See how this leads us no where? :roll:
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and you said before you would be ok with killing people to achieve your goal of communism..
 
Dovkan said:
Wanting capitalism is hardly intelligent, and it's true, capitalism is the religion of blood suckers and those who want to oppress others. See how this leads us no where? :roll:
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except the most prosperous societies have capitalism and those with genocide used communism
 
Dovkan said:
Enforcers referring to everybody, it's a simple truth that we dislike the idea of murdering other humans.. When everyone lives comfortably and collectively owns the production, why would people put up with a greedy bastard? I don't like discussing hypothetical of communism, or anarcho capitalism, it's pointless.
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Why would I put up with being forced to be cog in a machine?
 
Dovkan said:
Your experiences mean nothing,
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Yeah, as if your zero experience in life makes you more knowledgeable... :lol:

you're one of the lucky few,
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Luck had nothing to do with it. It started with hard work and perseverance.

80% of the world makes less then $10 a day
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Citation needed.

It can be improved by eliminating the minimum wage? We see the conditions in countries without some sort of actual minimum wage, what our country was like before the minimum wage.. that's a ****ing joke. Lower taxes on who, multi billion dollar businesses?
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Singapore, a country Ive been to many times, has no minimum wage and low taxes. Their unemployment is at 2%, far better than any other country that has minimum wage and higher taxes.

Communism has never been tried,
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They tried, it never went beyond stage 1. And thats why it will never work.
 
ernst barkmann said:
and you said before you would be ok with killing people to achieve your goal of communism..
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it always comes down to that among the "egalitarians" because the only time people are truly equal is when they are dead.
 
TurtleDude said:
except the most prosperous societies have capitalism and those with genocide used communism
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You're ignoring the congo, honduras, somalia, haiti, honduras, Nicaragua, almost all of the third world, which capitalists rely on to exploit.
Also, what genocide occurred under a stateless, moneyless, classless system? Turtle, please, have a freaking brain.
 
Dovkan said:
You're ignoring the congo, honduras, somalia, haiti, honduras, Nicaragua, almost all of the third world, which capitalists rely on to exploit.
Also, what genocide occurred under a stateless, moneyless, classless system? Turtle, please, have a freaking brain.
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genocide hasn't happened in a land where Unicorns crap golden turds either

BFD
 
PoS said:
Yeah, as if your zero experience in life makes you more knowledgeable... :lol:


Luck had nothing to do with it. It started with hard work and perseverance.


Citation needed.


Singapore, a country Ive been to many times, has no minimum wage and low taxes. Their unemployment is at 2%, far better than any other country that has minimum wage and higher taxes.


They tried, it never went beyond stage 1. And thats why it will never work.
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It never advocates the stage they did, I'll edit later.
 
Dovkan said:
Collectively owned property in regards to the means of production, also, who do you think would stop those people? Other people, and you have to realize the motive for that really would have no logical reason, their is no for profit motive. No one controls what people use, right now, a massive surplus is occurring under capitalism, everything would have a use value, discussing the hypothetical realities of what a communist society would be like is ridiculous. Poor upkeep? In reference to the USSR? I wonder why, not like those people didn't have a democracy, or actual ownership of the property, hence the totalitarian state under stalin.. Oh, you keep making defenses of the hypothetical anarcho capitalism, we will never escape this void.
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I hardly see how restricting the example to only the means of production changes my argument in the slightest. The very fact that you eliminated the profit motive would in fact lead to people caring for the property in question less and thus upkeep would suffer. Aristotle argued against collectively owned property on this basis centuries ago and I fail to see how he was wrong.
 
Dovkan said:
Address my points on "choosing" "Ford" at least, come on.
Also, you may want to see this: Exposing the great 'poverty reduction' lie - Al Jazeera English
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I did, re-read about regulations I.b aid and trade with developing nations and how lack of manufacturing diversity creates gridlock and the inability to transfer job markets. Also what I was speaking about literary explains everything in your al jazeer article.

Ford defines the pRoDucers position in a market society
 
PoS said:
Singapore, a country Ive been to many times, has no minimum wage and low taxes. Their unemployment is at 2%, far better than any other country that has minimum wage and higher taxes.
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Take note that before this country had a minimum wage and higher taxes unemployment was regularly around those levels.
 
Dovkan said:
I suppose, although I highly doubt it will come to that, in regards to using armed force.
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which is why lefties are almost always the advocates for banning guns and disarming citizens
 
PoS said:
Yeah, as if your zero experience in life makes you more knowledgeable... [emoji38]


Luck had nothing to do with it. It started with hard work and perseverance.


Citation needed.


Singapore, a country Ive been to many times, has no minimum wage and low taxes. Their unemployment is at 2%, far better than any other country that has minimum wage and higher taxes.


They tried, it never went beyond stage 1. And thats why it will never work.
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Singapore showing steady economic growth, low income inequality, and high employment seriously shows deregulation works.
 
Dovkan said:
A system that fails miserably at distributing the surplus it produces, it's more profitable to throw it all away while 45% of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition. - WHO
Communism is a stateless society without money or social classes. Why couldn't we produce that much?
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the question isn't "why couldn't we produce that much ?" .. it's "why would you? "

what's the incentive to produce beyond what you need to survive?
 
Thrilla said:
the question isn't "why couldn't we produce that much ?" .. it's "why would you? "

what's the incentive to produce beyond what you need to survive?
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And even producing that much becomes problematic in his system. That is not even facing the quality issue, which will of course suffer as well.
 
Henrin said:
And even producing that much becomes problematic in his system. That is not even facing the quality issue, which will of course suffer as well.
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How would producing that much be an issue when everything is distributed based on it's use value? Communism is built around sufficiently using a surplus, which we have, and food storage is making great strides, how would quality suffer? The food quality now is OBVIOUSLY great.
 
Thrilla said:
the question isn't "why couldn't we produce that much ?" .. it's "why would you? "

what's the incentive to produce beyond what you need to survive?
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Why wouldn't you? Don't like having extra food to eat?
 
Dovkan said:
How would producing that much be an issue when everything is distributed based on it's use value? Communism is built around sufficiently using a surplus, which we have, and food storage is making great strides, how would quality suffer? The food quality now is OBVIOUSLY great.
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Why would I produce more than I need when I get nothing more from it? There is literally no reason to create any sort of surplus when there is nothing to gain from it. The quality of what is produced would decline for the very same reason that neglect is a hallmark of collectively owned property. No one cares enough to bother to make good quality products.
 
ernst barkmann said:
:shock:
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when it comes right down to it.. .all Commies end up supporting the same thing in terms of enacting their system.... the purging of non-believers from society.

to do so is very much a practical necessity..... the system cannot work without 100% compliance, backed by the fear of being "purged".
of course, enforcement has to be rigorous and sustained, which necessitates an well armed authority and the complete and utter absence of justice.
 
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