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Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discrimination?

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Huckabee: Gay-Rights Movement 'Won't Stop Until There Are No Churches'

“It won’t stop until there are no more churches, until there are no more people who are spreading the Gospel,” Huckabee said on a right-wing radio program while discussing the backlash against anti-gay religious-freedom legislation in Arkansas and Indiana.

"I’m talking now about the unabridged, unapologetic Gospel that is really God’s truth," he said.

Huckabee made the remarks during an appearance on the conservative Family Research Council radio program “Washington Watch with Tony Perkins."

Edit: Why aren't polls auto-selected on this forum so that people don't accidentally post threads without polls?
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

If your faith hinges on other people living their lives however they please it isn't a faith worth anyone's time.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

Huckabee has lost his ****ing mind.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

The question is a false question. Christianity's survival is not based upon defeating SSM. That is a ludicrous false claim.

Huckabee is not the spokesperson for Christianity. Just another opportunistic politician seeking a niche following of people to send him money. Nothing else.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

The question is a false question. Christianity's survival is not based upon defeating SSM. That is a ludicrous false claim.

Many Christians, certainly on the conservative side, are linking the survival of Christianity to their ability to discriminate against gays. They need to discriminate against gays in order to be true Christians.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

Many Christians, certainly on the conservative side, are linking the survival of Christianity to their ability to discriminate against gays. They need to discriminate against gays in order to be true Christians.

You aren't falling for that line of crap are you? If they were so concerned they'd be wanting to discriminate against all sinners who wanted to purchase their products or services. Since they only get their panties in a wad over SSM and the LGBT community, it's plain ol' bigotry being trussed up. There's no religious basis for it at all, they prove that all by themselves.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

Many Christians, certainly on the conservative side, are linking the survival of Christianity to their ability to discriminate against gays. They need to discriminate against gays in order to be true Christians.

I guess it's that pesky Leviticus business.
On the positive side, this Christian monomaniacal focus on gays allows the rest of us to sin in peace.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

Many Christians, certainly on the conservative side, are linking the survival of Christianity to their ability to discriminate against gays. They need to discriminate against gays in order to be true Christians.

You do know that many Churches are splitting apart due to this- And that includes conservative & some would say Liberal Churches as well.
I would like to see some numbers on your point?
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

I think you can if time permits edit and add a poll. Nor sure.
And the Hucketser is just that and a freak as well.

It's been a while since Huckabee has announced he wants people to sign one of his petitions to Congress - along with a donation of course. That's his money-making routine. Yes, he uses religion for those personal fund raisers.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

I think you can if time permits edit and add a poll. Nor sure.

I tried, there was no edit option for a poll.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

It's been a while since Huckabee has announced he wants people to sign one of his petitions to Congress - along with a donation of course. That's his money-making routine. Yes, he uses religion for those personal fund raisers.

He misuses religion is my opinion.
A wingnut.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

You do know that many Churches are splitting apart due to this- And that includes conservative & some would say Liberal Churches as well.
I would like to see some numbers on your point?

What numbers are you looking for? Do you think that I'm in error that many Christians think that being anti-gay is intrinsic to the scripture?
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

You'll need to define many.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

You'll need to define many.

Enough that entire states feel that businesses need to be protected, should they decide to discriminate against gays.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

What numbers are you looking for? Do you think that I'm in error that many Christians think that being anti-gay is intrinsic to the scripture?

You don't understand how most of Christianity works. Fornication, adultery and divorce also are against scripture. Does that stop anyone from being Christian? It is so common that few ministers will even mention anything about divorcees, unmarried couples or such people attending services.

What you don't understand about Christianity is you generally need to be a sinner to be a good Christian, because you need forgiveness and if you don't do anything wrong what can you be forgiven for? FEW Christian churches would expel someone for being gay. Some would. Most would not, even if their doctrine opposes homosexuality.

That is the remarkable thing about Christianity compared to most religions. You don't have to act like a Christian to be one. Anything you do can instantaneously be forgiven like it never happened. Thus, the penalty for breaking the rules is all but non-existent. Just say "Dear God, I'm sorry. In Jesus name, amen" and you're pure as New York snow.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

He misuses religion is my opinion.
A wingnut.

He uses it for personal profit and political fame. He gets on TV with it. Makes money off it.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

What numbers are you looking for? Do you think that I'm in error that many Christians think that being anti-gay is intrinsic to the scripture?
Many is open ended.
Numbers, i am sure there is research out there. But before you make a claim of "many" it really should be quantified as best as is reasonably possible.
Possible the Pew Institute may have some stats. I do not know.

As to anti gay- Yes a number of Christians do think it contravenes Biblical teachings.
That does not mean they hate them, some would, but that number is open for debate.
Same as those that think all Christians are anti gay - your phrase not mine. And they are all not of that position.
Your statement is wide ranging and far to encompassing of a substantial number who have no issues what so ever with homosexuality.
 
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Huckabee: Gay-Rights Movement 'Won't Stop Until There Are No Churches'



Edit: Why aren't polls auto-selected on this forum so that people don't accidentally post threads without polls?

This is rather confusing. There have been gay human beings on this planet far longer than there have been Christians, and so if Christianity disappears, it will have no ill effect. Being gay is just as natural as being straight, it's just not as normal. A four leaf clover is just as natural as a three leaf clover, it's just not as normal. So I wonder why the existence and acceptance of that fact is so threatening to the church that the day may come when there's no more church's or disciples to disseminate its propaganda?
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

You don't understand how most of Christianity works. Fornication, adultery and divorce also are against scripture. Does that stop anyone from being Christian?

I would believe you if Christians cared as much about adultery and fornication as they do about gays and finding ways to legally thumb them in the eye. Mind you, having gay sex isn't even on God's top ten things not to do. Yet it is first place in the minds of many Christians on the conservative side.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

I would believe you if Christians cared as much about adultery and fornication as they do about gays and finding ways to legally thumb them in the eye. Mind you, having gay sex isn't even on God's top ten things not to do. Yet it is first place in the minds of many Christians on the conservative side.

I agree with that. The reason is because it still most is about "them." Adultery and fornication ceased being a focus because it was too much about "us." To get a church to change is stance would only take about 10% of the membership openly being gay. Then, while still having doctrine against it like there is against adultery and fornication, they'd stop talking about it.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

Many is open ended.
Numbers, i am sure there is research out there. But before you make a claim of "many" it really should be quantified as best as is reasonably possible.
Possible the Pew Institute may have some stats. I do not know.

I'm not sure why I'm held to this ambiguous standard. From Wikipedia:

Many members of the Christian Right consider homosexual acts as sinful[41] and think they should not be accepted by society.[42] They tend to interpret biblical verses on homosexual acts to mean that the heterosexual family was created by God[43] and that same-sex relationships contradict God’s design for marriage and violate his will.[44][45][46][47][48] Christians who oppose homosexual relationships sometimes contend that same-gender sexual activity is unnatural.[49]

I'm open to other ways of phrasing 'large numbers of Christians'.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

I do not see it. Just because Huckabee is making a statement here such as this does not mean he speaks for all of Christianity in this regard.

Oh, I agree. But the reason Huckabee has a platform is because many on Christian right listen to him. Just like they did Jerry Falwell.
 
Re: Is it wise for Christians to link the survival of Christianity to gay discriminat

I agree with that. The reason is because it still most is about "them." Adultery and fornication ceased being a focus because it was too much about "us." To get a church to change is stance would only take about 10% of the membership openly being gay. Then, while still having doctrine against it like there is against adultery and fornication, they'd stop talking about it.

That's actually a pretty good explanation. Doesn't that also indicate the strong likelihood of it truly being bigotry rather than religious principle?
 
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