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Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu? [W:144]

Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

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I don't think that Netanyahu has the support of the majority of Jews in the U.S., especially among the younger generation. They are fed up with the lies and warmongering and want a new, fresh approach to solving the problems of the Middle East.
 
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How Jewish Americans view Netanyahu’s speech
March 2, 2015 at 6:45 PM EDT

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/jewish-americans-view-netanyahus-speech/

Netanyahu does not speak for all American Jews (COMMENTARY)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...456ecc-b943-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html

Netanyahu to American Jews: Get Lost
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/netanyahu-boehner-congress-american-jews-get-lost

American Jews, speak out against Netanyahu’s policies
The Israeli prime minister and the majority of U.S. Jews fundamentally disagree on key issues. The time has come for American Jewish institutions to address this tension.
By Benjy Cannon | Feb. 18, 2015 | 10:31 PM | 12
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.643034

Netanyahu does not speak for all American Jews (COMMENTARY)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...456ecc-b943-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html
 
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Basically the supporters of Netanyahu in America are Conservative Orthodox Jews and Dispensationalist Evangelical Christians. Most American Jews are not overly religious. Hell a lot of them are not religious at all. They don't have the cloud of fundamentalist religious belief impacting their judgement on Israel. When conservative evangelicals wonder why American Jews are typically fairly liberal and Democrat, its simple, they don't think like them. Their world view is vastly different.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Basically the supporters of Netanyahu in America are Conservative Orthodox Jews and Dispensationalist Evangelical Christians. Most American Jews are not overly religious. Hell a lot of them are not religious at all. They don't have the cloud fundamentalist religious belief impacting their judgement on Israel. When conservative evangelicals wonder why American Jews are typically fairly liberal and Democrat, its simple, they don't think like them. Their world view is vastly different.
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Its a little off topic but I recall getting into a discussion with this Jewish rabbi at an event at a university in which the views of various religions were being discussed. It almost sounded as if the guy didn't believe what was put forward by Moses and the prophets, and I wonder if he actually believed in God at all. :lamo

Not trying to be offensive or derogatory, I just found his views rather interesting.
 
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MildSteel said:
I don't think that Netanyahu has the support of the majority of Jews in the U.S., especially among the younger generation. They are fed up with the lies and warmongering and want a new, fresh approach to solving the problems of the Middle East.
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Of course they don't. But I am sure that quite a few do. And even more know that he is right about Obama and Iran.
 
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joG said:
Of course they don't. But I am sure that quite a few do. And even more know that he is right about Obama and Iran.
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The freak that has been telling us for twenty five years that Iran is a year or two away from having nuclear weapons? Yeah.
 
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MildSteel said:
I don't think that Netanyahu has the support of the majority of Jews in the U.S., especially among the younger generation. They are fed up with the lies and warmongering and want a new, fresh approach to solving the problems of the Middle East.
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It does not appear that we can know that for sure. There are plenty of articles out there suggesting anger over his speech to Congress here and some of his last minute antics to win the election back in Israel. But, we still seem to have enough evidence that both US Jews and US Citizens overall still support Israel. It brings into question how much of the contempt for Netanyahu really translates to ideological disassociation from Israel no matter whom is in charge.
 
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Virtually all Jews fled to the USA prior to the Immigration Act of 1924, which among other goals was to block Jews coming to the USA. As murder and increasing slaughter of Jews became worldwide, Jews were trying to flee to Israel, despite Britain trying to block the number of Jews coming to Israel.
By 1938, Jews were desperate to get out of Europe and Britain proposed a small Jewish zone, smaller than present day Israel, and for all the rest being exclusively for Arabs. The Jewish Council agreed, but Palestinian Muslims riots, demanding that Jews do not have 1 inch of land and instead that Jews be evicted. Britain withdrew it's proposal.

This left nowhere for European Jews to go, resulting in the murder of 1/3rd of all Jews in the World, 6 million, in the holocaust. However, the murder and oppression against Jews was worldwide, other than Britain attempted to maintain law and order in what is now Israel, so those few who could make it there were relatively safe.

Few American Jews have any ancestry or direct linkage to the holocaust and have been safely within the USA so long they have no memory of the reason their ancestor's fled to the USA, just like many others of different ethnicity who came to the USA to escape do not.
 
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MildSteel said:
I don't think that Netanyahu has the support of the majority of Jews in the U.S., especially among the younger generation. They are fed up with the lies and warmongering and want a new, fresh approach to solving the problems of the Middle East.
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Another hate on Israel and Israel's PM message by the OPer.

American Jews are not Israelis. The younger generation of Jews have no world Jewish experience. The OP is off-base and based in bigotry and eugenics. What American Jews think of Israel is as relevant as what Italian Americans think about politics in Italy.

Israel is a lifeboat that millions of Jews fled to, with the alternative being death or horrific oppression. American Jews are not and never have had that need and are not in that crowded lifeboat under perpetual threat of genocide and constant murderous attack.
 
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The OPer in his messages divides up people by race and ethnicity. Anyone who votes in this poll should indicate if they are an American Jew. I'm not.

The standard of being a Jew by Israel's definition is having at least 1 grandparent who was/is Jewish by both great grandparents, as I understand it. Just having some Jewish ancestry somewhere in the past does not quality.
 
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Montecresto said:
The freak that has been telling us for twenty five years that Iran is a year or two away from having nuclear weapons? Yeah.
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Your message has no credibility as you leave off actions by Israel to prevent Iran from doing so. Other than hatred of Israel and being pro-Iran, why do you leave that out of your message.

The accurate statement is that for 25 years Israel has succeeded in preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, in response to vows by Iran and Muslim religious clerics calling for the total genocide of all Jews in tiny Israel - including by nuclear weapons.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Basically the supporters of Netanyahu in America are Conservative Orthodox Jews and Dispensationalist Evangelical Christians. Most American Jews are not overly religious. Hell a lot of them are not religious at all. They don't have the cloud of fundamentalist religious belief impacting their judgement on Israel. When conservative evangelicals wonder why American Jews are typically fairly liberal and Democrat, its simple, they don't think like them. Their world view is vastly different.
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Correct. Most American Jews are Jews only because there is some Jewish ancestry in their history.

What you leave off is they have no knowledge of the endless murder and genocide against Jews all over the world in their own personal memory. It is NOT about "religious" Jews. It is about Jews who have memory of the attrocities against Jews everywhere that lead their Jewish ancestor(s) to flee to the USA.

The reason the worldwide population of Jews is so small is because for 3,000 years they have been murdered by the dozens, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands and millions literally all over the world. This also is why Jews are the most scattered ethnicity in the world - the endless desperate attempts for Jews to find ANY safe place to live.
 
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joko104 said:
Your message has no credibility as you leave off actions by Israel to prevent Iran from doing so. Other than hatred of Israel and being pro-Iran, why do you leave that out of your message.

The accurate statement is that for 25 years Israel has succeeded in preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, in response to vows by Iran and Muslim religious clerics calling for the total genocide of all Jews in tiny Israel - including by nuclear weapons.
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Well, not in that particular post that you quoted, no. But I certainly have mentioned, on many occasions, the fact that Israel has violated international law by assassinating Iranian civilian scientists. And you keep misrepresenting the Iranian position of regime change in Israel, for annihilation of the entire country.
 
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joko104 said:
Correct. Most American Jews are Jews only because there is some Jewish ancestry in their history.

What you leave off is they have no knowledge of the endless murder and genocide against Jews all over the world in their own personal memory. It is NOT about "religious" Jews. It is about Jews who have memory of the attrocities against Jews everywhere that lead their Jewish ancestor(s) to flee to the USA.

The reason the worldwide population of Jews is so small is because for 3,000 years they have been murdered by the dozens, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands and millions literally all over the world. This also is why Jews are the most scattered ethnicity in the world - the endless desperate attempts for Jews to find ANY safe place to live.
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Do you honestly think that American Jews, possibly the most highly educated demographic in the country, are ignorant of the historical persecution of Jews?

Moreover, there are two reasons why the population of Jews worldwide is fairly small: 1. The holocaust. 2. Its not a religion that proselytizes to others like Christianity or Islam. If a religion does not actively go out and seek converts, its never going to have just a ton of adherents.
 
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joko104 said:
Virtually all Jews fled to the USA prior to the Immigration Act of 1924, which among other goals was to block Jews coming to the USA. As murder and increasing slaughter of Jews became worldwide, Jews were trying to flee to Israel, despite Britain trying to block the number of Jews coming to Israel.
By 1938, Jews were desperate to get out of Europe and Britain proposed a small Jewish zone, smaller than present day Israel, and for all the rest being exclusively for Arabs. The Jewish Council agreed, but Palestinian Muslims riots, demanding that Jews do not have 1 inch of land and instead that Jews be evicted. Britain withdrew it's proposal.

This left nowhere for European Jews to go, resulting in the murder of 1/3rd of all Jews in the World, 6 million, in the holocaust. However, the murder and oppression against Jews was worldwide, other than Britain attempted to maintain law and order in what is now Israel, so those few who could make it there were relatively safe.

Few American Jews have any ancestry or direct linkage to the holocaust and have been safely within the USA so long they have no memory of the reason their ancestor's fled to the USA, just like many others of different ethnicity who came to the USA to escape do not.
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You do not, even a little bit, speak for any of us. Shut your ignorant mouth and stop spewing insults and lies about people you know nothing about.
 
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Montecresto said:
The freak that has been telling us for twenty five years that Iran is a year or two away from having nuclear weapons? Yeah.
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Good that we organized sanctions. Otherwise he would have been right. :shock:

PS: Would it surprise you, if they had dirty bomb capability?
 
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Montecresto said:
Well, not in that particular post that you quoted, no. But I certainly have mentioned, on many occasions, the fact that Israel has violated international law by assassinating Iranian civilian scientists. And you keep misrepresenting the Iranian position of regime change in Israel, for annihilation of the entire country.
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Iranian state-owned websites have explained why the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its population would be justified. Jews are referred to as "cattle."

Khamenei declared, “Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini]…is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.” A month later, he repeated his message. “The foundation of the Islamic regime is opposition to Israel and the perpetual subject of Iran is the elimination of Israel from the region.”

“Our battalions are named Imam Ali, Imam Hussein and Bayt al-Maqdis [Jerusalem] to clarify our final destination to the Basiji. We will not abandon our [armed] struggle until the annihilation of Israel and until we will be able to pray in al-Aqsa mosque.

About negotiating with Iran:

“The enemies are talking about the options [they have] on the table. They should know that the first option on our table is the annihilation of Israel.”

“The issue of Palestine is an Islamic issue. The Islamic world must come together to destroy the false Israeli regime….If this happens, nothing will be left of Israel.”

“If once the destruction and demise of occupying Israel was an impossible and unattainable dream, today thanks to the historic and intelligent actions of Imam Khomeini, it has become possible and is actually in the process of occurring.”

“The destruction of Israel is the idea of the Islamic Revolution in Iran and is one of the pillars of the Iranian Islamic regime. We cannot claim that we have no intention of going to war with Israel.”

As if that was not enough cause for concern, the International Atomic Energy Agency warned in a May 2011 report of Iranian efforts “involving the removal of the conventional high explosive payload from the warhead of the Shahab-3 missile and replacing it with a spherical nuclear payload.”
 
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Paschendale said:
You do not, even a little bit, speak for any of us. Shut your ignorant mouth and stop spewing insults and lies about people you know nothing about.
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So claim to be a Jew declaring the holocaust and the 3000 year history of killing Jews is all a lie?

Not for a second do I believe you are a Jew and the notion of a Jewish holocaust denier as you just declared yourself to be is absurd.

Here's a clue. Pretending to be a Jew and then raging that those who talk of the holocaust and oppression of Jews are liars isn't going to work. Your's isn't even a nice try. I suppose next you're claim your black and post about racial discrimination.
 
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joG said:
Good that we organized sanctions. Otherwise he would have been right. :shock:

PS: Would it surprise you, if they had dirty bomb capability?
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And haven't used them. :shock:
 
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joko104 said:
Iranian state-owned websites have explained why the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its population would be justified. Jews are referred to as "cattle."

Khamenei declared, “Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini]…is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.” A month later, he repeated his message. “The foundation of the Islamic regime is opposition to Israel and the perpetual subject of Iran is the elimination of Israel from the region.”

“Our battalions are named Imam Ali, Imam Hussein and Bayt al-Maqdis [Jerusalem] to clarify our final destination to the Basiji. We will not abandon our [armed] struggle until the annihilation of Israel and until we will be able to pray in al-Aqsa mosque.

About negotiating with Iran:

“The enemies are talking about the options [they have] on the table. They should know that the first option on our table is the annihilation of Israel.”

“The issue of Palestine is an Islamic issue. The Islamic world must come together to destroy the false Israeli regime….If this happens, nothing will be left of Israel.”

“If once the destruction and demise of occupying Israel was an impossible and unattainable dream, today thanks to the historic and intelligent actions of Imam Khomeini, it has become possible and is actually in the process of occurring.”

“The destruction of Israel is the idea of the Islamic Revolution in Iran and is one of the pillars of the Iranian Islamic regime. We cannot claim that we have no intention of going to war with Israel.”

As if that was not enough cause for concern, the International Atomic Energy Agency warned in a May 2011 report of Iranian efforts “involving the removal of the conventional high explosive payload from the warhead of the Shahab-3 missile and replacing it with a spherical nuclear payload.”
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Iranian websites, in English I'm sure. There's American websites that advocate all sorts of things that you must consider official US policy.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Do you honestly think that American Jews, possibly the most highly educated demographic in the country, are ignorant of the historical persecution of Jews?

Moreover, there are two reasons why the population of Jews worldwide is fairly small: 1. The holocaust. 2. Its not a religion that proselytizes to others like Christianity or Islam. If a religion does not actively go out and seek converts, its never going to have just a ton of adherents.
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No, it was not just the "holocaust." If you explore Jewish history in the world there has been THOUSANDS of recorded incidents of the organized killing Jews all over the world merely because they were Jews. It was not just the Nazi holocaust. "The wandering Jew" (a famous poem) is about how Jews were perpetually seeking a safe permanent place to live - and never finding one.

The only countries that were safe for Jews in modern history was the United States (which closed its doors to Jews in 1924) and In Israel/Palestine while under British rule, though the UK also was increasingly blocking Jews coming to Israel and began imprisoning elsewhere young Jews of potential fighting age merely for being young Jewish men.

As for blaming Jews for the problems of the ME, Jews, ie "Christ-killers" in the West, have always been blamed for any country's problems. For hundreds and hundreds of years.

The end of WW2 did not make Jews welcomes in Europe. Jews have been virtually purged from the whole world except the USA and Israel. As for ME Muslim countries, the genocide of Jews is nearly absolute and more complete than Hitler's holocaust.
 
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Just read the biblical accounts of Jewish military adventurism, and how they invaded neighbouring countries and killed men, women, children and even all the livestock for no other reason than the fact that they worshiped Moloch instead of Yahweh.
 
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Montecresto said:
And haven't used them. :shock:
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The attacks against Israel by Muslim countries only ceased when it became believed that Israel had a substantial nuclear arsenal.
 
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