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Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test? [W:249]

Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?


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Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Ha. Here's the record you might want to update your thinking about.

A Complete Timeline of Obama's Anti-Israel Hatred - Breitbart

**** Breitbart, of course he would frame holding Israel accountable as anti-Israel. So back when he became president, he told Israel they needed to stop building their illegal settlements. And Obama blew the whistle on a conspiracy between the Saudis and Israel to pre-emptively attack Iran. And Obama criticized Israel for assassinating Iranian civilian scientists, a violation of international law. And?
 
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Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

I know the difference but you do NOT.....
First of all, I wasn't talking to you. Second, you don't have a clue what I know. Finally, I'm not that interested in what you have to say. :shrug:
 
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**** Breitbart, of course he would frame holding Israel accountable as anti-Israel. So back when he became president, he told Israel they needed to stop building their illegal settlements.

It was Israel's land to build on. It was either given to them by God and/or the United Nations, or won in a war when Israel was attacked. They want to screw with Israel then they get what they get.
 
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It was Israel's land to build on. It was either given to them by God and/or the United Nations, or won in a war when Israel was attacked. They want to screw with Israel then they get what they get.

Actually, that's all changing. :spank:
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

First of all, I wasn't talking to you.
Second, you don't have a clue what I know.
Finally, I'm not that interested in what you have to say. :shrug:
1. You're Lying, you Respond all the time, including in this section and in the last few days, a back-and-forth in the M-E.

2. This is a MESSAGE BOARD, NOT PM.
Everyone is entitled to respond to everyone else... and does.

3. You just Got your Head kicked in again, as you did earlier TODAY:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...g-jews-mosque-blown-up-11.html#post1064476162

In that String I responded to Manc Skipper, and YOU, Just Last N!ght/TODAY, Responded to ME, Unsolicited.
YOU sought out/responded to MY post to someone Else! ! !
What a WHOPPER Moot!
"Not Interested"!
OUCHER!

4. Thus your above Obnoxious, Dropped Topic, Sore-Loser, reply.

5. Please cut out the juvenile Personal posts and stay ON TOPIC.
Try and win debates, Not have to retreat to Insults because you can't.
 
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Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

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Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Well, perhaps if you act like you want to be treated then maybe you will. But as it stands, you're quite condescending yourself.

I return what I receive. Go back and read your first response to me.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Although we may have some common values, what is more important is common interests. And it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of Israel are quickly diverging from those of the United States. No doubt about it. Therefore, Israel is becoming a net liability relative to U.S. interests rather than an asset. Republicans need to realize this. To see how this is indeed the case, note the following words of the wise statesman, James Baker.

Although Netanyahu and his right-and-center coalition may oppose a two-state solution, a land-for-peace approach has long been supported by a substantial portion of the Israeli body politic, by every American [administration] since 1967 — Republican and Democratic alike — and a vast majority of nations around the world,” If Israel sees its future with Netanyahu, it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of the United States are rapidly diverging from those of Israel.

"Land for Peace" should be called the "Poland Deal" - as it is the exact "deal" Hitler made with the West concerning Poland (which also has the highest Jewish population in the world). Poland would give up it's critical defensive border and - in return - there would be peace.

In fact, what happened was the greatest mass murder of Jews in world history and their elimination from Poland to this day, the utter destruction of Poland that was put into a indefensible situation despite a previously powerful defensive posture - and World War 2 with Germany.

The "land for peace" deal is the identical deal. Israel will put itself into a militarily indefensible position in relation to those who openly call for the genocide of Jews in Israel - with the threat that if Israel won't agree the Western powers will cease to support Israel.

Israel would be wiser to go it alone than agree to that deal. At least for now there are enough Jews in Israel whose entire families were murdered and everything they had taken to understand what the Hitler-Poland land-for-peace deal really means. It means the eventually utter obliteration of Israel and the genocide of all Jews there.

The West is again certainly willing to write off Jews and other countries. And it was liberals who supported Hitler's land-for-peace deal regarding Poland, claiming it would bring peace - when in fact it brought genocide and world war.

If the Jews of Israel give up their viable military posture for an unviable one in reliance upon the West and the USA, virtually every Jew in Israel will be murdered as the end of that story, with the rest subjugated. And again there could be another world war - this time with nuclear weapons. Appeasement at the expense of defense NEVER works in the long run. Instead, it is the assurance of future war.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

In Israel, the "land for peace" demand is called the "Auschwitz Border" because it makes Israel militarily indefensible the way the Hitler land-for-peace plan in Poland lead to Poland being indefensible and the genocide of Polish Jews in Auschwitz.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

I return what I receive. Go back and read your first response to me.

It looks like you got what you deserved.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

If only Israel will give up it's defensive zone making Israel indefensible - as demanded by Israel's enemies who vow to kill all Jews and by Western powers lead by the USA, there will be "peace in our time."

"Peace in our time" means the 2nd mass murder of the largest Jewish population in the world now in Israel (the first was in Poland in the 1940s) and another world war - ultimately with nuclear weapons.

Hopefully, Israeli Jews will continue to oppose their own mass murder and be wise enough not to rely on the USA or the West for any military alliance or support if attacked. The lessons learned in WW2 include absolutely not believing anything Western powers and the USA says in terms of peace and military alliance. Every country that relied upon such reliance and made concessions accordingly as demanded by Western powers and their potential enemy promising peace if they conceded was annihilated.

Rather than giving up its defensive zones, Israel should be building/buying ballistic missile submarines with nuclear tipped warheads.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

If only Israel will give up it's defensive zone making Israel indefensible - as demanded by Israel's enemies who vow to kill all Jews and by Western powers lead by the USA, there will be "peace in our time."

"Peace in our time" means the 2nd mass murder of the largest Jewish population in the world now in Israel (the first was in Poland in the 1940s) and another world war - ultimately with nuclear weapons.

Hopefully, Israeli Jews will continue to oppose their own mass murder and be wise enough not to rely on the USA or the West for any military alliance or support if attacked. The lessons learned in WW2 include absolutely not believing anything Western powers and the USA says in terms of peace and military alliance. Every country that relied upon such reliance and made concessions accordingly as demanded by Western powers and their potential enemy promising peace if they conceded was annihilated.

Rather than giving up its defensive zones, Israel should be building/buying ballistic missile submarines with nuclear tipped warheads.

The only lesson they seem not to have taken away from WW11 is the crime of oppressing the weak.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

And how was Ukraine "under the protection of the US"?

When the Ukraine gave up its nukes, to promote this, the US and the Ukraine entered into a treaty.

It was in all the papers.

Unusua, in that case, that the incisive intellect in the White House seems to have missed it. I thought he read all the papers and THAT is where he and his staff discover things. Apparently everything that they discover.

This shows, once again, that with Obama in the White House it is far more dangerous to be an ally of the US than it is to be an enemy.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical though not operational control[citation needed]. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]
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Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

When the Ukraine gave up its nukes, to promote this, the US and the Ukraine entered into a treaty.

It was in all the papers.

Unusua, in that case, that the incisive intellect in the White House seems to have missed it. I thought he read all the papers and THAT is where he and his staff discover things. Apparently everything that they discover.

This shows, once again, that with Obama in the White House it is far more dangerous to be an ally of the US than it is to be an enemy.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
<snip>
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical though not operational control[citation needed]. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]
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Yes, but the problem with that assertion is the fact that Russia hasn't done what they've been accused of in Ukraine. The US supported a coup in Kiev in the fall of 2013. And the violent overthrow of the elected government. Not a democratic move, at all. Russia's response in Crimea was to that EU/US interference and to secure their interests and people's. I'm not the only one that disagrees on this, there's plenty that do not consider Russia in breach of the BM.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

One reason is that the GOP hasn't seen a war that they do not like. That suits Israel's purposes well in the Middle East.

Right, but for the wrong reason. Israel is constantly attacked and wants a partner that will come to their defense.
 
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The only lesson they seem not to have taken away from WW11 is the crime of oppressing the weak.

World War Eleven?
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Right, but for the wrong reason. Israel is constantly attacked and wants a partner that will come to their defense.

The GOP is being led by people such as John McCain who are warmongers, and Dick Cheney while Bush was in office.

What is it that Israel does when they regularly engage in the activity that they call "mowing the lawn?"

Just how is it that over one million people ended up in Gaza in those wretched conditions?
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

When the Ukraine gave up its nukes, to promote this, the US and the Ukraine entered into a treaty.

It was in all the papers.

Unusua, in that case, that the incisive intellect in the White House seems to have missed it. I thought he read all the papers and THAT is where he and his staff discover things. Apparently everything that they discover.

This shows, once again, that with Obama in the White House it is far more dangerous to be an ally of the US than it is to be an enemy.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
<snip>
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical though not operational control[citation needed]. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]
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Any country that gives up it's own defense reliant upon the West and USA are true fools. This has been shown over and over. If Israel gives up it's defensive buffer as Obama and Western countries - plus as Israel's sworn enemies - demand, the Jews of Israel are doomed.
 
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Yes, but the problem with that assertion is the fact that Russia hasn't done what they've been accused of in Ukraine. The US supported a coup in Kiev in the fall of 2013. And the violent overthrow of the elected government. Not a democratic move, at all. Russia's response in Crimea was to that EU/US interference and to secure their interests and people's. I'm not the only one that disagrees on this, there's plenty that do not consider Russia in breach of the BM.

Keep on cheering the purging, removal and genocide of the Tartars and other Ukranians from Ukraine by the USSR/Russia. Russia's invasion of Crimea and now Eastern Ukraine is the price Ukraine pays for believing the USA and the West would ever keep any defensive promise.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

The GOP is being led by people such as John McCain who are warmongers, and Dick Cheney while Bush was in office.

What is it that Israel does when they regularly engage in the activity that they call "mowing the lawn?"

Just how is it that over one million people ended up in Gaza in those wretched conditions?

They are in those conditions because the Muslims/Arabs keep attacking Israel!! It is not any more complicated than that. How are Israelis supposed to trust any of them with the constant attacks, tunnels and wars?
 
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The only lesson they seem not to have taken away from WW11 is the crime of oppressing the weak.

So you're still another Holocaust minimizer declaring the genocide of Jews by the millions equates to the situation of the Palestinians. No surprise you would totally trivialize the holocaust with your messages. None whatsoever.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

I don't want it smaller at all. From the time of the 67 war, I wish that Israel was able to pull back to defensible borders and stop there. I don't think most Israelis want to hold onto most of the West Bank.

Those two sentences are self contradict. You don't want Israel to be smaller, you just want it to be smaller. :roll:

You want Israel to pull back from its defensive border to an indefensible position.

Obviously the election in Israel proved you wrong about what Israelis want.
 
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