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Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test? [W:249]

Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?


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Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

As increasing numbers of Democrats follow Obama lock-step in perfect loyalty, Obama's pro Muslim/anti-Jewish stances increasingly are becoming fanatical, the more Democrats become antisemitic too.

What a stupid comment. Being opposed to Netanyahu is not anti-Semitic. Hell, even being opposed to the state of Israel (which few Democrats are) is not anti-Semitic.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

It's more of an American trait rather than a strictly Republican phenomenon. We support Israel because we hold common ideals in a strategic region in which those values are severely lacking. While not as steadfast as the right, a Democratic candidate who openly eschewed our alliance would likely face significant blowback as well.

Please refrain from using "We." Neo-cons have common interests with one segment of Israel that controls that country. The rest of us in America do not subscribe, and yes, it is primarily one segment of the Republican party that is most incestuous in this fatalistic love affair.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

If they do, no one has been able to find it, let alone prove it. It's kinda like trying to prove a negative.


Then I guess you don't keep up with the news because Iran isn't working on and doesn't have ICBMs....

Analysis: Iranian ICBM claim falls short of the mark - IHS Jane's 360

Pentagon Changes Its Assessment of Iran


With the Saudi's full support....

Support for el-Sisi: What


You knew the US isn't Sunni or Shia, right?

Saudi's are Salafists and Salafists reject democracy and Egypt's democratically elected president was ousted and replaced by a military dictator supported by the Saudi's. So what does that tell you?

Finding a website that agrees with you is not research. Just below your google search was this link which you chose not to follow. Iran's Ballistic Missile Program | The Iran Primer

The Saudi's support anyone who will oppose Iranian takeover of the majority of the Middle East. They'll have to wait for our next presidential election to find an Ally in the US.

I don't appreciate your condescension and snarky tone. I find your comments to be marginally relevant and slanted toward those of the administration which are frankly stupid.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

They are all liar's. They are indeed politicians.

Yep, and that's why the world is in such a mess today. But you know its ESPECIALLY bad when you are such a big liar that even a politician like Sarkozy can't stand you. That's why I said even someone like Sarkozy.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Whether Israel had been, and is, blocking the creation of a Hamas state or not, there will be no peace for Israel, and that brings me to the reason for butting in.
Let us not forget the most significant bond between Israel and the US. We are hated by a large percentage of Muslims and t/o the world for various reasons. That alone makes us allies.

And there are historical reasons that they bear that hatred towards us. The thing is this, we can't break with that past as long as we are bombing and killing innocent Muslims in the Middle East. We need to stop that on our end. But Israel is constantly imploring us to do so. The other thing is that as long as Israel is mistreating the Palestinians they way they do, there will not be peace there. Israel thinks that they can either beat them into submission or keep them in that wretched state forever. Its a delusional policy that they have. And as long as we support it, the Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East and indeed elsewhere will hate us for it. There is simply no way forward but to make a just and lasting peace with these people, and it won't be done as long as Israel is engaging regularly in the activity of what they term "mowing the lawn" and killing hundreds of innocent Palestinian children.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Actually, Jews are safer in the US than they are in Israel.

Great point!
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

What a stupid comment. Being opposed to Netanyahu is not anti-Semitic. Hell, even being opposed to the state of Israel (which few Democrats are) is not anti-Semitic.


And being opposed to slavery wasn't anti-black. :roll:

Hatred of Jews is probably the oldest bigotry of all. Yet bigots will generally deny they are bigots.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

And being opposed to slavery wasn't anti-black. :roll:

Hatred of Jews is probably the oldest bigotry of all. Yet bigots will generally deny they are bigots.

And your conflating anti-semitism with legitimate criticism of Israeli foreign policy.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Do you, because you don't show it?

Actually, Jews are safer in the US than they are in Israel.


That statement is both completely irrelevant and is laced with bigotry. Bigotry against Jews is so engrained that there are almost endless justifications and slogans for it that just seem logical and right to many people.

What is the relevancy of your statement - other than to agree the dangers to Israel? The United States does not have an open door policy towards Jews, does it? Bigotry, oppression and violence against Jews did not end with the defeat of Hitler, discrimination and oppression of Jews limited to Germany, nor were Jews who fled Europe invited to return. Israel has an open door policy towards all Jews anywhere in the world. It is the ONLY place Jews can flee to. The USA does NOT have an open door policy towards Jews and therefore the safety of the United States is irrelevant to anything.

The bigotry of the statement also is clear. The United States is not a Jewish state. So what your message says, without saying it, is that Jews should leave Israel (the demand of Muslim theocrats) and come live as illegal immigrants in the USA where they will live as Americans as a minority in a non-theocratic/ethnic country rather than in their own - meaning a demand they don't act like Jews in terms of government - while you are perfectly fine with Muslims having their own theocratic governments.

After the genocide of the holocaust (of an endless history of oppression against Jews around the world), Jews recaptured their ancestral homeland. Of the 57,000,000 square miles of land, they only have 8,000. Predictably, anti-Semitic bigots will focus their hatred and bigotry on Israel and make endless demands against Jews of Israel they make against no other country.

Have you posted messages demanding Turkey, Syrian and Iraq agree to a two-state solution with the Kurds? A two-state solution anywhere to resolve the fighting between Shia and Sunni? Does President Obama? Of course not. Rather, the fixation is on Jews and Israel.

Palestinians are safer in the United States. That also is irrelevant to anything.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

The support for Israel goes above "war". I support them because they are the closest thing to a free Democracy in the Middle East.

Dispute my comments as you wish, but that's why Israel has my support.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Great point!

Really? Explain what that "great" point is.

Kurds are safer in the United States. They are under attack and being killed as I post this. Do you or Obama advocate a two state solution for Kurds? Please link to your messages advocating an independent Kurdistan.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

The support for Israel goes above "war". I support them because they are the closest thing to a free Democracy in the Middle East.

Dispute my comments as you wish, but that's why Israel has my support.

My support of Israel is because Jews historically are the most discriminated against and oppressed people in the world. The need for a safe haven for Jews to flee and a country to give Jews ANY voice is a necessity. Without the creation of Israel it likely at least a couple more million Jews would have been killed in the ongoing hatred of Jews in Europe and other regions of the world immediately after WWII. It was not only Germans and not only in Germany there was a drive to purge all Jews from their country.

Most Jews who moved to Israel did not do so because Israel is a great place to live. They did so fleeing oppression, discrimination and often deadly danger where they were.

Why don't some people just admit they believe the world would be a better place if Hitler had succeeded in eliminating all Jews, rather than not saying so while - like Hitler - accusing Jews for all the problems in the ME and endlessly post the Jewish conspiracy theories?
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

And being opposed to slavery wasn't anti-black. :roll:

Haha what? Slavery? What does being critical of right-wing Israeli policy have to do with slavery? This defies even your own bizarre use of conflation.

Hatred of Jews is probably the oldest bigotry of all. Yet bigots will generally deny they are bigots.

Which has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

My support of Israel is because Jews historically are the most discriminated against and oppressed people in the world. The need for a safe haven for Jews to flee and a country to give Jews ANY voice is a necessity. Without the creation of Israel it likely at least a couple more million Jews would have been killed in the ongoing hatred of Jews in Europe and other regions of the world immediately after WWII. It was not only Germans and not only in Germany there was a drive to purge all Jews from their country.

Most Jews who moved to Israel did not do so because Israel is a great place to live. They did so fleeing oppression, discrimination and often deadly danger where they were.

Why don't some people just admit they believe the world would be a better place if Hitler had succeeded in eliminating all Jews, rather than not saying so while - like Hitler - accusing Jews for all the problems in the ME and endlessly post the Jewish conspiracy theories?

You're simply fanning the flames of anti-Semitism by linking support of Jews to support of far right-wing Likud policy. By your reckoning, I suppose that Jews who are critical of Netanyahu are self-hating Jews. And blacks who are Republican are Uncle Toms.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Yea. Its reached pretty ridiculous limits. Now its become any disagreement or criticism of Netanyahu and the Likud party makes you a "Israel hater", or "anti Israel, and want the destruction of the nation".
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Yea. Its reached pretty ridiculous limits. Now its become any disagreement or criticism of Netanyahu and the Likud party makes you a "Israel hater", or "anti Israel, and want the destruction of the nation".

So you would be a supporter of Israel if Labor had won? I can see your nose growing from here!
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

So you would be a supporter of Israel if Labor had won? I can see your nose growing from here!

What does "supporter of Israel" mean? Can you define that for me please?
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

What does "supporter of Israel" mean? Can you define that for me please?

Believe it has the right the exist as a Jewish state side by side of a Palestinian state.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Believe it has the right the exist as a Jewish state side by side of a Palestinian state.

As a "Jewish state"? As Netanyahu supports and defines "Jewish state", I would absolutely not agree with that. Israel as a state does have the right to exist side by side Palestinian state.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

As a "Jewish state"? As Netanyahu supports and defines "Jewish state", I would absolutely not agree with that. Israel as a state does have the right to exist side by side Palestinian state.

So let me define it not rely on Netanyahu to speak for me (which he doesn't). Approximately 20% of Israel today are Arabs. They should have the full rights, like any citizen of the state. The real issue is the "right of return" which if you take Abbas at his word would mean Palestinians would control both of the two state solution, thus really a one state solution. My sense is that is what you want as well, perhaps not. You can let us know.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Israel has the same right to exist as any other nation, but the principle of an ethno-religious state is inherently at odds with democracy within a multi-cultural society. This is nothing new, is not anti-Semitic, and has been a source of debate within Israel as it struggles to square it's Jewish identity with the realities of existing as a democracy.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Although we may have some common values, what is more important is common interests. And it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of Israel are quickly diverging from those of the United States.

Not from the United States, but diverging from an anti-Semitic, evil-appeasing White House and its minions.

No doubt about it. Therefore, Israel is becoming a net liability relative to U.S. interests rather than an asset. Republicans need to realize this. To see how this is indeed the case, note the following words of the wise statesman, James Baker.
If Israel sees its future with Netanyahu, it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of the United States are rapidly diverging from those of Israel.

Where's this Administration's demand that the Palestinians stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas which call for the destruction of Israel?

The problem with this Administration and their sycophants is that they're Biblically-challenged and fail to recognize that God reestablished the nation of Israel (Ezekiel chapters 37-38, etc.), and that when you go up against Israel, you're going up against God Almighty.

You watch - Israel will not be defeated or forced into a bad deal like what Obama is doing with Iran.
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Almost the entire world agrees that Iran has a right to have nuclear power....but not nuclear weapons. Do you know the difference between nuclear power and nuclear weapons?
The Saudi's instigated and funded the military coup that overthrew the democratically elected government in Egypt because they didn't want any Islamic government in the ME except theirs. You know Saudi Arabia is not a democracy, right?
I know the difference but you do NOT.

I already commented in this string previously on it.
As a signatory to the NPT, Iran is even entitled to Help with Peaceful power needs.

In that spirit, And in an effort to Resolve the matter in 2004, the EU offered FREE Off-site enrichment, a windfall for Iran, but they Refused because they could Not Divert fissionable material to a weapons program that way.


And it has been Nothing Delay/BS since.
Try again?
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

Europe hating Jews is as predictable and historic as it gets, isn't it?

Same as those that hate all Muslims- Hate is hate is it not?
 
Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

What a stupid comment. Being opposed to Netanyahu is not anti-Semitic. Hell, even being opposed to the state of Israel (which few Democrats are) is not anti-Semitic.

The point is - If you disagree with any Israeli policy, then you do not pass the GOP litmus test.
If anyone disagrees with Israeli polices, then you are with the terrorists.
Same as on many boards- if you disagree with an Israeli policy, you are antisemitic or a supporter of terrorist.
 
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