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Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

  • yes, laws need to be constantly reviewed

    Votes: 14 43.8%

  • no, laws should be forever until replaced

    Votes: 9 28.1%

  • Other - explain in thread

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • Welcome To Costco I Love You

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Total voters
    32
haymarket said:
More right wing anti-government nonsense that we should recognize for exactly what it is.
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left wing nonsense being supportive of mindless laws?
 
Goshin said:
Come to think of it, I think I'd prefer to sunset POLITICIANS every ten years.... :D
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Yeah, every politician should only be allowed to serve one term- they cannot run for any public office afterwards.
 
any law that doesn't apply to congress or the white house should be stricken immediately
 
TurtleDude said:
congress passes laws all the time that don't apply to them
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This is a problem, I must have misinterpreted you as wanting to abolish all laws passed by congress. Now I understand what you mean, and I agree, it's hypocritical.
 
TurtleDude said:
left wing nonsense being supportive of mindless laws?
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The idea that a law comes up for review every ten years is so utterly ridiculous if one for one key factor - TIME. Congress or no state legislature has the time to properly do this. Its just fantasy.
 
haymarket said:
The idea that a law comes up for review every ten years is so utterly ridiculous if one for one key factor - TIME. Congress or no state legislature has the time to properly do this. Its just fantasy.
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Yet apparently they have plenty of time to keep passing more and more laws where the need is questionable, at best. Sorry, but keeping them busy and distracted isn't the worst idea out there, and I'm sure the time they did have would be prioritized on the more important issues.
 
radcen said:
Yet apparently they have plenty of time to keep passing more and more laws where the need is questionable, at best. Sorry, but keeping them busy and distracted isn't the worst idea out there, and I'm sure the time they did have would be prioritized on the more important issues.
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I worked as chief of staff for a member of the Michigan legislature for three years 2011, 12 & 13. Michigan is a minority in that we still have a full time legislature. There is absolutely no way that those folks could take every law and review it every ten years. Think about what that means - 10% of the laws on the books in a state would come up for review every year in addition to the current problems and agenda. It is simply nonsensical to believe they could even do that if they wanted to.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
I was looking at the astounding number of federal laws passed every single year, and it occurred to me: part of the problem is that elected officials feel the need to "do something". With millions of laws on the books, all they can do is make more and more laws, which further and further stifle us as a country.



I propose that all laws not specifically enumerated in The Constitution expire after 10 years.

This would give us

A) something for the politicians to "do" without thinking of new crap to tie us up with
B) it would mean "bad" law doesn't last for decades (NFA Act '37 for example)
C) It would mean law more closely matches the current political makeup. No ramming something through in the dead of the night which is still there years later, even though it was passed through deceit and legislative maneuvering ala ObamaCare, Social Security etc....
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Good god no. What a recipe for uncertainty and instability. I would be appalled if I couldn't be confident what the laws of the United States would be year to year because of the incessant expiration of laws. Not to mention the absurdity of having our legislature devoting the bulk of its time to the endless review of laws it already passed. We're the United States not some tinpot banana republic. Ridiculous.
 
haymarket said:
The idea that a law comes up for review every ten years is so utterly ridiculous if one for one key factor - TIME. Congress or no state legislature has the time to properly do this. Its just fantasy.
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what this guy said



radcen said:
Yet apparently they have plenty of time to keep passing more and more laws where the need is questionable, at best. Sorry, but keeping them busy and distracted isn't the worst idea out there, and I'm sure the time they did have would be prioritized on the more important issues.
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TurtleDude said:
what this guy said
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Was incorrect since it fails to take in the very real world problem that even in a full time legislature or Congress - there is simply NOT the time to review 10% of all past laws each year. Its just an impossible dream that has no relationship to the reality of what happens in a legislature.
 
haymarket said:
Was incorrect since it fails to take in the very real world problem that even in a full time legislature or Congress - there is simply NOT the time to review 10% of all past laws each year. Its just an impossible dream that has no relationship to the reality of what happens in a legislature.
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most of the laws being passed federally are nothing more than crap by people pretending they are doing something useful

what we really need are judges that actually start enforcing the tenth amendment
 
haymarket said:
More right wing anti-government nonsense that we should recognize for exactly what it is.
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More left wing government-worshipping nonsense that we should recognize for exactly what it is. :roll:

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haymarket said:
The idea that a law comes up for review every ten years is so utterly ridiculous if one for one key factor - TIME. Congress or no state legislature has the time to properly do this. Its just fantasy.
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Most Congressmen spend half their time running for re-election. Reviewing previously passed laws would be a better use of their time. Repealing even a bad law is a difficult undertaking. Considering that many laws have unanticipated consequences not having a review mechanism seems to me to be a defect in the system.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
I was looking at the astounding number of federal laws passed every single year, and it occurred to me: part of the problem is that elected officials feel the need to "do something". With millions of laws on the books, all they can do is make more and more laws, which further and further stifle us as a country.



I propose that all laws not specifically enumerated in The Constitution expire after 10 years.

This would give us

A) something for the politicians to "do" without thinking of new crap to tie us up with
B) it would mean "bad" law doesn't last for decades (NFA Act '37 for example)
C) It would mean law more closely matches the current political makeup. No ramming something through in the dead of the night which is still there years later, even though it was passed through deceit and legislative maneuvering ala ObamaCare, Social Security etc....
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And you think the chaos in Congress is bad now?? They can't even handle passing a few laws. Imagine them trying to update every single law every ten years??? That would be crazy. All hell will break loose. The system would stop working and anarchy would ensue.. Or maybe that's what you want eh?
 
haymarket said:
Was incorrect since it fails to take in the very real world problem that even in a full time legislature or Congress - there is simply NOT the time to review 10% of all past laws each year. Its just an impossible dream that has no relationship to the reality of what happens in a legislature.
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No. You completely missed my point. Go back and read, very carefully, what I wrote.

Right now, they have TOO MUCH time because they keep passing TOO MANY laws that are questionable and unnecessary at best, and borderline insidious at worst. Having less time to deal with all the laws might actually be a good thing because then many of the questionable laws would fall off the books through attrition. Once that happened, the time/law ratio would balance out and your concern would fade away.

You make the mistake of presuming all laws are good laws and thus should be dealt with and renewed (in such a scenario).
 
TurtleDude said:
most of the laws being passed federally are nothing more than crap by people pretending they are doing something useful

what we really need are judges that actually start enforcing the tenth amendment
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Np doubt with with Republicans firmly in control of majorities in both houses of Congress your statement may well prove prophetic.
 
Gaius46 said:
Most Congressmen spend half their time running for re-election. Reviewing previously passed laws would be a better use of their time. Repealing even a bad law is a difficult undertaking. Considering that many laws have unanticipated consequences not having a review mechanism seems to me to be a defect in the system.
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I spent 33 years teaching. I try to no longer post in education threads because I got sick and tired of being sick and tired trying to argue with people who had no idea what they were talking about as they did not have any real experience with that issue.

This reminds me of that.
 
radcen said:
No. You completely missed my point. Go back and read, very carefully, what I wrote.

Right now, they have TOO MUCH time because they keep passing TOO MANY laws that are questionable and unnecessary at best, and borderline insidious at worst. Having less time to deal with all the laws might actually be a good thing because then many of the questionable laws would fall off the books through attrition. Once that happened, the time/law ratio would balance out and your concern would fade away.

You make the mistake of presuming all laws are good laws and thus should be dealt with and renewed (in such a scenario).
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I said no such thing that all laws are good laws. No such thing. I simply provided reality in the observation that there is simply no time available for a legislator to review 10% of ALL the laws ever passed each term in addition to their normal and usual duties of office.

I spent 33 years teaching. I try to no longer post in education threads because I got sick and tired of being sick and tired trying to argue with people who had no idea what they were talking about as they did not have any real experience with that issue.

This reminds me of that.
 
haymarket said:
I said no such thing that all laws are good laws. No such thing. I simply provided reality in the observation that there is simply no time available for a legislator to review 10% of ALL the laws ever passed each term in addition to their normal and usual duties of office.
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If legislators made reviewing old laws a priority they would make the time.
 
Ockham said:
If legislators made reviewing old laws a priority they would make the time.
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Perhaps they could pass a law giving legislators 36 hours a day and that would provide the extra time? :doh:roll:

I spent 33 years teaching. I try to no longer post in education threads because I got sick and tired of being sick and tired trying to argue with people who had no idea what they were talking about as they did not have any real experience with that issue.

This reminds me of that.
 
haymarket said:
Perhaps they could pass a law giving legislators 36 hours a day and that would provide the extra time? :doh:roll:
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They don't need a 36 hour day they just need to make it a priority, as I already said. See... even a reasonable answer prompts your to post ad hominems. Pavlovian.

haymarket said:
PI spent 33 years teaching. I try to no longer post in education threads because I got sick and tired of being sick and tired trying to argue with people who had no idea what they were talking about as they did not have any real experience with that issue.
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You apparently wasted your time then and continue to do so.
 
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