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Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

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joG said:
Great really. It needs more research to be economically viable though. That was the case , when I last checked.
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The economic viability can get better through research and scaling,
but the curves are already in motion. Energy from oil will on average keep increasing in cost.
We often here of all the subsidies oil companies receive, what we do not hear about is the
financial risks they take.
The extraction side of oil companies take much larger risks than most businesses.
The lease mineral right for an area, that has promising geophysical surveys.
They decide the best place to punch a hole.
They spend large amounts of money drilling, on the chance they might hit oil or gas.
Those risks include thinks like rigs blowing up, it is dirty dangerous work.
If the oil companies can make their own feedstock for a known price without that risk,
it will limit the value of oil extraction.
They are already going to expensive efforts to extract oil from places not thought economically viable.
 
celticwar17 said:
This question has many that branch off from it...


Without reducing the world population and without being able to control or regulate other foreign countries.... does anyone really expect to be able to reduce carbon emissions on a grand scale enough to halt it's affect on global warming(if there is a definitive causation)?


Do you expect all the oil-producing countries to stop doing so?


When it comes to oil and gasoline, unless there arises a cheaper option(even then, it will always be there), these commodities will be expended until they run out permanently... until these resources become rare enough to not become a reasonable means to use.


If these are the things that are causing global warming/climate change... I believe it is inevitable, no matter own many world conventions you have that us humans will expend every last drop of oil on this planet.




What can be changed? What can be stopped? What is worth fighting for when it comes to the environment?
In my opinion...
-toxic substances like pesticides, high sulfur content in coal, acids, toxic waste, mercury, arsenic, etc.
These are all substances, with good practices, that can largely be eliminated

-Deforestation, bad farming practices, errosion
All can be done with good farming practices and alternatives
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It would take a world wide effort which ain't gonna happen. Almost every country would have to lower their standard of living to accomplish it. Cheap power from coal and oil would have to be replaced by more expensive power.

I think you hit some of the solutions on the head, stop clear cutting the rain forest and stop clearing farms and replacing them with asphalt and concrete for urban and suburban sprawl. That is not going to happen.
 
longview said:
The economic viability can get better through research and scaling,
but the curves are already in motion. Energy from oil will on average keep increasing in cost.
We often here of all the subsidies oil companies receive, what we do not hear about is the
financial risks they take.
The extraction side of oil companies take much larger risks than most businesses.
The lease mineral right for an area, that has promising geophysical surveys.
They decide the best place to punch a hole.
They spend large amounts of money drilling, on the chance they might hit oil or gas.
Those risks include thinks like rigs blowing up, it is dirty dangerous work.
If the oil companies can make their own feedstock for a known price without that risk,
it will limit the value of oil extraction.
They are already going to expensive efforts to extract oil from places not thought economically viable.
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I know all that and did the math on it once or twice. It is very iffy that the necessary investments at present technology/price are net beneficial. That is changing compared to the first calculations I read and did. And it is improving continuously. One problem is that the ecology peole were calling loudly for change, when change was a very sub-optimal strategy, while they were saying it was optimal. And you know how it is. When someone lied in your face, you tend not to trust him.
 
joG said:
I know all that and did the math on it once or twice. It is very iffy that the necessary investments at present technology/price are net beneficial. That is changing compared to the first calculations I read and did. And it is improving continuously. One problem is that the ecology peole were calling loudly for change, when change was a very sub-optimal strategy, while they were saying it was optimal. And you know how it is. When someone lied in your face, you tend not to trust him.
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I know it is not there...Yet, but as I said the curves are in motion.
At some point (perhaps maybe 100 years in the future) this will be a necessity,
but for now I think it would be good planning to explore the technology.
The photovoltaic panels already make since as a retirement vehicle, but that is a narrow scope.
($16K spent while working, that will save about $120 per month while retired)
There is also a danger that the ecology people would be willing to pay more for carbon neutral
fuels than they are worth, and delay the cutover, by keeping the prices artificially high.
 
Partially .. at best ..The maturity level of man is simply not that high .. he is too selfish .. and this requires quite the attitude change .. Our planet can handle this "partialness" . But the people , those living on the edge ..they will suffer .. then we will as well
 
To reverse climate change I thought all we had to do was drop some large ice cubes in the Arctic Ocean, or is that not accurate?
 
Bodhisattva said:
To reverse climate change I thought all we had to do was drop some large ice cubes in the Arctic Ocean, or is that not accurate?
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Not accurate

You also need a swizzle stick larger than our current technoogy can build.
 
celticwar17 said:
This question has many that branch off from it...


Without reducing the world population and without being able to control or regulate other foreign countries.... does anyone really expect to be able to reduce carbon emissions on a grand scale enough to halt it's affect on global warming(if there is a definitive causation)?


Do you expect all the oil-producing countries to stop doing so?


When it comes to oil and gasoline, unless there arises a cheaper option(even then, it will always be there), these commodities will be expended until they run out permanently... until these resources become rare enough to not become a reasonable means to use.


If these are the things that are causing global warming/climate change... I believe it is inevitable, no matter own many world conventions you have that us humans will expend every last drop of oil on this planet.




What can be changed? What can be stopped? What is worth fighting for when it comes to the environment?
In my opinion...
-toxic substances like pesticides, high sulfur content in coal, acids, toxic waste, mercury, arsenic, etc.
These are all substances, with good practices, that can largely be eliminated

-Deforestation, bad farming practices, errosion
All can be done with good farming practices and alternatives
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I think as technology improves we will have the ability to change ocean and air currents and have the ability to make it rain or snow where ever we want we can change the climate.But the process of trying to make an exact science can be too disastrous and should not be done.Climate change happens naturally, trying to mess it in order to "reverse" it should be avoided.
 
Given that humans are almost certainly not going to cut CO2 emissions to the level needed to avoid potential runaway global warming, climate change reversal is the next-best option. But it would have to be heavily regulated under international law.
 
I think it's very egotistical to think that humans can control the climate.
 
Josie said:
I think it's very egotistical to think that humans can control the climate.
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So if hypothetically people flattened a whole rocky mountain range to see level or took out all of Panama at least to a 100 feet below sea level that wouldn't effect the climate? Those things would effect ocean and air currents.
 
jamesrage said:
So if hypothetically people flattened a whole rocky mountain range to see level or took out all of Panama at least to a 100 feet below sea level that wouldn't effect the climate? Those things would effect ocean and air currents.
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Tell me James, what is the earth's nominal climate?
 
Yes, climate change is reversed every 6 months, causing winter and summer.
 
celticwar17 said:
This question has many that branch off from it...


Without reducing the world population and without being able to control or regulate other foreign countries.... does anyone really expect to be able to reduce carbon emissions on a grand scale enough to halt it's affect on global warming(if there is a definitive causation)?


Do you expect all the oil-producing countries to stop doing so?


When it comes to oil and gasoline, unless there arises a cheaper option(even then, it will always be there), these commodities will be expended until they run out permanently... until these resources become rare enough to not become a reasonable means to use.


If these are the things that are causing global warming/climate change... I believe it is inevitable, no matter own many world conventions you have that us humans will expend every last drop of oil on this planet.




What can be changed? What can be stopped? What is worth fighting for when it comes to the environment?
In my opinion...
-toxic substances like pesticides, high sulfur content in coal, acids, toxic waste, mercury, arsenic, etc.
These are all substances, with good practices, that can largely be eliminated

-Deforestation, bad farming practices, errosion
All can be done with good farming practices and alternatives
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More top tier Republicans need to think in these terms and not simply answer yes or no questions as to whether or not they believe Global Warming exists. As Democrats need to come to terms with reality and that they shouldn't expect everyone to bow to their wishes, though American Industry seems to be doing just that, not every country in the world will. Certainly not third world countries who are just beginning to develop their own industries.
 
Only if a major disaster happens to wake people up.
 
MrVicchio said:
What? Climate?
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Yes I am talking about climate. Climate change is something that occurs naturally regardless of how severe or minute those changes are.
 
It is and it will happen no doubt but over time. I think that in USA and several other countries for example the sale of non commercial vehicles that use fossil fuels will be outlawed within the next 20-30 years. I think we have a deal with China as well happening. The trick is to incentivize it. Remember when littering was a huge issue? It still happens obviously but it isn't nearly bad as it once was. Incentivizing the oil industry will eventually stop as well. You don't even realize how many things you have in your house that are petroleum based and will continue to be. It's insane. The industry won't go anywhere anytime soon. In several major nations the population is beginning to even out or at least not grow as fast as they were in years past, specifically places such as Canada, USA, Japan, and UK.
 
sangha said:
No, I don't. I don't think it will be enough to halt AGW but every little bit counts.
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Nonsense.

Co2 emmisions from Human activities are a fraction of what is produced naturally and then its still a trace gas in our atmosphere.

Manipulating temperature data to arrive at a predetermined conclusion, which is what the NOAA has been doing for years doesn't prove anything othet than the Pro AGW agenda is highly corrupted by leftist ideologues.

If the NOAAs process of " homogenizeding " temperature data was scientifically legitimate WHY did they change their minds and rescind their assertion that July 2012 was the hottest month on record ?

Ill tell you why they did it. They were outed by a REAL Scientist who exposed their fraudulent manipulations.
 
In response to the OP, climate change cannot be stopped because that's what the planet does and has been doing for billions of years.

Secondly, the attempts to make fighting man made effects on climate change has been lost. It was lost when the "cause" was co-opted by those who want to use the climate as a means to tax and redistribute wealth from first world nations to petty dictatorships in African and other third world nations. It was also lost when it was co-opted by charlatans like Al Gore who used and abused the issue to collect personal wealth and fame.

Thirdly, there may be scientists who have pure hearts and intentions when it comes to fear of mans' effects on the planet, but they too are far outnumbered by those selling their integrity and expertise for grant and research dollars to fund their careers and existence.

Fortunately, all of the above will prove to destroy the efforts of those who want to punish production and success in the name of scientific progress. No doubt, as in my home of Ontario, Canada, idiot politicians will be able to cause great harm to some economies and force unnecessary hardship and destruction but they will ultimately be replaced by saner heads and the damage mended. And as has been the case since man started walking the earth, we will spend time commenting and moaning and occasionally complementing and enjoying our changing climate.
 
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