Stoney
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Everybody sucks. So, you have to have regulation with the regulators out of the loop.
I don't know how that works.
Everybody sucks. So, you have to have regulation with the regulators out of the loop.
No. That would be crazy, who thinks that. I illustrated that without fences, capital hurts labor!
No. I don't think that anybody can be trusted. Which is why there should be term limits, and non partisan scrutiny. Now there's the rub, but if we could just get Americans to love America first and their party second, that could indeed be repaired. I do however realize that that's a heavy lift.
why do you hate the troops?
I don't see any hate of anybody embodied in my posts. My factual observation that people serve a self interest is not hate, its real. And I would bet that I've spent more time entertaining, feeding, greeting and thanking troops than you or most people ever will.
For them? Hmmm
Do you have a source to support that claim?
All good points. I think a lot of what we are facing is because we have become more of a global community these days, and we are on the end of the stick that has billions of people on the other side. Even the poorest among us are considered wealthy by the rest of the world. It appears that a one-world-government is what some envision as a solution, where everyone has the same advantages. This would raise the standard of living for most on the "other side of the stick," but it would certainly lower ours, because we have set the goal posts as the standard since the end of WW2. Why would anyone be surprised that so many want to live like we do, and immigrate here to enjoy the lifestyle we do? The problem as I see it is that many have not had the background to build on that we have had, and continue to have the same type of thinking that they had in the country they left - "our streets are paved with gold, and it's easy to become wealthy here." That's not true, or we would not have 50 million people on food-stamps here. I don't know what the solution is, but our standard of living is being lowered, slowly but surely, and lots of people here don't know how to deal with living from paycheck to paycheck yet. If that's our future, it looks bleak, IMO.
I don't know how that works.
What you are asking for is more free handouts. People already retire on liberal handouts.
Then you want loan forgiveness if a person looses a job. Good one all I have to do it get myself laid off and my debt goes away.
It would not possible for workers to have a job unless others took risk with their own capital to start a business that they have in some cases their life savings invested.
You would create systems that protect labor from business while hurting business by making it almost impossible to fire an employee who doesn't meet standards. This works better if employees seek employment where they are treated better and businesses compete for the best employees. As it is too many employees stay in what I call "trap jobs" that they don't like and will never be good at because the job offers "security."
You claim that this "refinance" program "doesn't cost a damn thing". Apparently Warren doesn't agree with you. She proposed to pay for the program by imposing a 30% minimum tax on a certain group of high income earners. Why would we need a new tax to pay for something that will not cost a damn thing? Your original link cites this new tax as the sticky point.
Your thread title concerns Repubs not caring about the middle class. Past your first post, there is little mention of middle class, but instead student loans. Which AFAIK are not wholly a middle class problem, but encompass all income groups.
Now, 400 posts later, it appears that the real problem might be a personal problem, i.e. a loan you don't want to pay back at the initial terms for whatever reason.
Again, the government is not stopping you from refinancing your loan, any loan. You refer to home mortages, which can and do get refinanced, but no one is asking the government to step in and reduce the interest rate, or increase the terms.
Hmmm. Well considering that I have NEVER been offered a paying job by a poor person, and every really good job I've ever had in the private sector was provided by somebody who was pretty rich, and it was having those jobs that helped me move into the middle class, I would say rich Republicans help the middle class as much or more than anybody else does. How do you think it would benefit the middle class if we make it unwise or unprofitable for the wealthy Republicans to offer those jobs? Who do you think would pick up the slack and hire all those people?
And isn't that enough reason to think it is a good thing that we have some rich people?
Well me I have never been offered a job by a rich person. The job offers that I got were from middle class people working for large corporations.
I see. And whose money would it be that provided your pay check? Were they taking your salary out of their salaries? Or did your salary come out of the profits of the owners of those large corporations? In short was it the person working for the corporation that made your job possible. Or was that person acting on behalf of the people who did?
And the point that you are missing madame is that somebody has to do the work. There would be no rich people if there were not people to do the work and people to buy the products. Don't tell me you are a hen philosopher too. Tell me it ain't so.
Really? Where can I get my liberal handout so that I can retire?
It would not be possible for the wealthy to make money if there were not workers to do the work and consumers to buy the products. Remember that.
And the point that you are missing madame is that somebody has to do the work. There would be no rich people if there were not people to do the work and people to buy the products. Don't tell me you are a hen philosopher too. Tell me it ain't so.
I didn't miss the point at all, sir. The point is that the middle class needs jobs and they won't have them if there aren't people rich enough to need to hire people to work. It's a two way street. The rich aren't doing you any favor giving you a job--he or she needs the labor. And you aren't doing the rich any favor by working for him or her because you need the job. So the worker and the employer form a contract in which one provides the labor and the other provides the compensation the employee needs. It's a pretty nifty system. And I believe most smart people understand how the system works to the advantage of the middle class and those smart people would include a lot of Republicans. I'm not so sure about some others these days though..
With unlimited unemployment insurance
Think hard about what you just said.
It would not be possible for the wealthy to make money if their were not workers to do the work. Where in the hell did you ever get that revelation? I agree with your statement is there was no people on this planet. That is how you far leftist think. The trouble is there are people on this planet and the planet is full of people that want to work and those workers are also consumers.
I didn't miss the point at all, sir. The point is that the middle class needs jobs and they won't have them if there aren't people rich enough to need to hire people to work. It's a two way street. The rich aren't doing you any favor giving you a job--he or she needs the labor. And you aren't doing the rich any favor by working for him or her because you need the job. So the worker and the employer form a contract in which one provides the labor and the other provides the compensation the employee needs. It's a pretty nifty system. And I believe most smart people understand how the system works to the advantage of the middle class and those smart people would include a lot of Republicans. I'm not so sure about some others these days though..
I didn't miss the point at all, sir. The point is that the middle class needs jobs and they won't have them if there aren't people rich enough to need to hire people to work. It's a two way street. The rich aren't doing you any favor giving you a job--he or she needs the labor. And you aren't doing the rich any favor by working for him or her because you need the job. So the worker and the employer form a contract in which one provides the labor and the other provides the compensation the employee needs. It's a pretty nifty system. And I believe most smart people understand how the system works to the advantage of the middle class and those smart people would include a lot of Republicans. I'm not so sure about some others these days though..
Give me some reading, I can't find what you're talking about.
Like I said, the philosophy of the hen.
If you understand the point that the rich need and are supported by the middle class then you should understand that the interests of the middle class should also be prioritized and that it is not that you give everything to the wealthy and allow them to trickle down as little as possible.