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Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

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Dovkan said:
Yes, you should, I'd like to see your alternative.
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No, you shouldn't. If no one can afford a college education then other solutions to the problem are needed. There is really no point in holding firm to a model that has no way to be offered in a way that people can afford.
 
American said:
You're going off topic it seems, nevertheless, tell me how many German air force bases we have in the US.
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That's a moot point, I'm simply saying Germany's education system benefits the students more then our education system and that we need to consider reform, the current system is broken and needs reform.
 
Dovkan said:
But the current system is destructive, the only thing viable to alleviate the problem is government intervention.
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That's generally the liberal answer to everything. Start with something that is working fairly well, regulate until the system destructs, than claim that the only fix is more regulation.
 
Henrin said:
No, you shouldn't. If no one can afford a college education then other solutions to the problem are needed. There is really no point in holding firm to a model that has no way to be offered in a way that people can afford.
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Wait, what? Countries like Germany and denmark offer free tuition to students, while our students are crippled in debt with insane prices on text books, etc..
 
jimbo said:
That's generally the liberal answer to everything. Start with something that is working fairly well, regulate until the system destructs, than claim that the only fix is more regulation.
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Oh yes, the lack of regulation totally would have helped to get us out of the great depression and help people, damn liberals.
 
Henrin said:
Why? Education is a service that people must obtain for it to be provided. Why should the government assist towards those ends?
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A government should want its citizens to be educated and ready to face the modern world, no matter there finances.
 
Dovkan said:
Wait, what? Countries like Germany and denmark offer free tuition to students, while our students are crippled in debt with insane prices on text books, etc..
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Shifting the burden is not a solution to anything. Government takeovers are weak minded idiocy that solves nothing.
 
Dovkan said:
A government should want its citizens to be educated and ready to face the modern world, no matter there finances.
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Government should be indifferent on the matter.
 
Henrin said:
Shifting the burden is not a solution to anything. Government takeovers are weak minded idiocy that solves nothing.
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Really? They obviously don't work in other countries with higher education :roll:
 
Dovkan said:
It's free for the student's, and nothing is ever really "free" but it can be brought to the point of accessibility for all.
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All levels of education have been accessible for all for a lot of decades now. And what if we got the federal government out of it entirely and let the free market work there as well? All children in all 50 states had access to tuition free schools from first grade through twelfth grade long before the federal government started meddling. And property taxes were much more reasonable so that more people could afford to live near the local school, and the schools were administered by local school boards, teachers, parents, PTA organizations, and parent booster clubs and we had the best schools in the world. Now with all that infusion of federal government money we are way down on the list in education excellence.

Colleges and universities were also much more affordable so that a lot of us were able to work and pay for our own college education without any government help at all. Private grants and endowments helped a great deal in providing scholarships for meritorious poorer students and my college gave those of us who needed it opportunity to earn some of our fees and other expenses.

One of the cruelest hoaxes imposed on the middle class is the progressive notion that if the federal government doesn't do it, it won't get done. And that somehow the money for a 'free' junior college or whatever just materializes out of thin air and doesn't impose additional hardship on an already struggling middle class.
 
Dovkan said:
Really? They obviously don't work in other countries with higher education :roll:
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A government takeover didn't solve the underlining problem. The creation of a government monopoly does not a solve a problem, but simply covers it up with redistribution schemes.
 
Dovkan said:
Then that is a bad government, in my opinion.
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Yes, I imagine it is, and to me a government that uses tax revenue to pay for individual needs and desires is a bad government.
 
Dovkan said:
Oh yes, the lack of regulation totally would have helped to get us out of the great depression and help people, damn liberals.
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We're not talking about the great depression. A war got us out of that. There actually was not a lot of regulation after WW II until Johnson came along.

We are talking about education and the effect of government on education.

Diversion is another liberal tactic. Lose the battle, change the war.
 
Dovkan said:
That's a moot point, I'm simply saying Germany's education system benefits the students more then our education system and that we need to consider reform, the current system is broken and needs reform.
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Two words: Teachers Unions
 
jimbo said:
That's generally the liberal answer to everything. Start with something that is working fairly well, regulate until the system destructs, than claim that the only fix is more regulation.
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:lol: Basically it starts with people desiring to use a product and demanding the government do something for them about it. Then when the government acts somehow things are getting worse and more and more government action is needed until the only solution liberals have left is a government takeover.
 
Ironfist said:
How is refinancing a loan making the rich pay for it? :screwy:screwy
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The Bank on Students Emergency Loan Refinancing Act, would allow more than 25 million people to refinance their student loans to today’s lower interest rates of less than 4 percent. Warren paid for the bill with the “Buffet Rule” — a minimum 30 percent income tax payment from people who earn between $1 million and $2 million.
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Did you even read the article?
 
Henrin said:
Did you even read the article?
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I fully agree with that tax, taxes need to scale on wealth since a minority hold the majority of wealth, it's a simple concept.
 
Henrin said:
:lol: Basically it starts with people desiring to use a product and demanding the government do something for them about it. Then when the government acts somehow things are getting worse and more and more government action is needed until the only solution liberals have left is a government takeover.
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Oh, that's clearly happening in countries with EXTREMELY socialist policies and thriving economies.
 
American said:
Two words: Teachers Unions
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I fully support teacher unions, and I also support affordable and accessible education for all students looking to further there success in life.
 
Dovkan said:
I fully agree with that tax, taxes need to scale on wealth since a minority hold the majority of wealth, it's a simple concept.
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If everyone gets equal protection then everyone should pay the same rate. It's a simple concept that the market and everyone except the government has used since forever.
 
Henrin said:
If everyone gets equal protection then everyone should pay the same rate. It's a simple concept that the market and everyone except the government has used since forever.
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This is where this fails. A minority hold the majority of the wealth, the middle and lower class hold a tiny minority, assume taxes are "equal" for everyone, at a percentage rate, well, you can see where this falls apart, if not, I will gladly explain it.
 
Cardinal said:
It's a nice thought, but it's not how sides are drawn up on this forum. In discussions in which the interests of the rich and business are pitted against those of the poor and middle class, the theme of the threads are invariably right vs. left.
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If you think democrats care more about the poor and middle class in this country than the republicans do then you are sadly mistaken. Yes there are some democrats who actually care more about the poor and middle class other than trying to use them for votes, There are also republicans that way too.But policitians in both parties don't give a rats ass about the poor and middle class.All those chamber of commerce democrats and republicans care about is sucking the dick of the rich businesses and corporations to line their own pockets and keep themselves in power.
 
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