Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
I have not seen the GOP trying to help the middle class since the tax cuts in the 80's/90's, it seems all they want to do is "balance the budget" by gutting social programs, lower taxes on the wealthy, "preserve marriage", deny human climate change, support big oil, vote down bills proposed to help others due to hatred of the president... the list goes on. (41 Republican Senators Voted Against a Landmark Veterans Bill in February, Today They Blame the VA*|*H. A. Goodman) <<<<<= as one example, I mean, what the hell do the GOP want to do for the middle class?They're certainly not helping, nor trying to, from all I've seen. Just look at their new budget plan! :lamo

The only thing wrong with your response is that they were not trying to help the middle class with those tax cuts. They were trying to help the wealthy. Everything else was right on the mark.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

Ikari said:
The Republocrats in general serve more towards big donors and big corporations than small business and the individual.

Ain't that the truth.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

Cardinal said:
FFS, they came down against net neutrality once it was framed as business vs. Federal government, even though net neutrality is objectively good for everyone. They even thoroughly supported cable monopolies in lobbying state legislatures to ban local municipalities from creating their own internet connections. If that doesn't tell you something, nothing will.

Now you are cooking with gas.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

jamesrage said:
Many democrats and republicans are against helping the middle class. They support things like outsourcing that literally ships jobs overseas.

Well you are definitely right about that one. It is disgusting.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

Cardinal said:
You're absolutely right about this, and it's utterly disgraceful that Democrats in congress talked about supporting industry and labor at home yet voted in favor of "free trade agreements" (like NAFTA) that resulted in industries fleeing the U.S. in droves while keeping their corporate headquarters and bank accounts here. That being said, if we were to have a discussion on this forum in favor of repealing those agreements (or at least the parts that allow American industries to move their labor to other countries), how do you think those battle lines would draw up?

Agreed. Why? Because they will do everything to help the wealthy regardless of its effects on the middle class.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

jamesrage said:
You do know it was Clinton who signed the China trade deal into law? It would be chamber of commerce republicans and chamber of commerce democrats on one side and severely outnumbered republicans and democrats who oppose "free" trade on the other side. Just because democrats throw a few crumbs here and there to the poor doesn't mean they are on the side of the poor and middle class any more or any less than the republicans are.

Well at least they throw some crumbs. The Republicans don't throw jack****.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

AlbqOwl said:
That bill had nothing to do with helping the middle class.

Oh please. Allowing consumers to refinance their student loan debt would definitely help the middle class.

AlbqOwl said:
If the Democrats had presented a clean bill allowing student and opportunity to refinance their student loans using normal financing rules, there would have been no objection as that would have given a break to the middle class.

So why the hell didn't the Republicans put forward such a "clean" bill. Why? Because they really don't give a damn about middle class people who are faithfully repaying their student loan debt.

AlbqOwl said:
But the other part of that bill is that the lowered interest rate would have diminished federal treasury receipts and the Democrats intended to offset that with an alternate minimum tax of 30% on high earning Americans.

The problem is that allowing consumers who are faithfully repaying their student loan debt the chance to refinance should not be about interest rates on student loan debt and federal treasury receipts. It should be about giving people who are repaying their loans in good faith some relief. Such a measure would help the middle class.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

jamesrage said:
You can say that all you want.But it does not change the fact it contradicts your statement of saying you do not wish for manufacturers to leave the US.Plus the fact you admitted to have no use for nationalism or views that serve to hold back the development of third world countries means you do not give two ****s about manufacturing in America.

Excellent!!! Well said!!!!

Cardinal · Mar 25, 2015

jamesrage said:
Like I said it would be chamber of Commerce democrats and republicans on one side and on the other side would democrats and republicans who are severely outnumbered by the chamber of commerce democrats and republicans.

It's a nice thought, but it's not how sides are drawn up on this forum. In discussions in which the interests of the rich and business are pitted against those of the poor and middle class, the theme of the threads are invariably right vs. left.

gdgyva · Mar 25, 2015

these loans these students racked up......

did they sign those notes voluntarily?

were they in a language the kids could understand?

did they have parent overseeing some of the documents, and telling them "yeah, go ahead and sign"

did the colleges collect all the money....paid to the faculties, and administrators?

but now, the dems want to change the rules.....

they want the loans to be refinanced, and they just want rich people to pay for it

sorry.....no

if your credit history is good enough, some people can get their loans redone in better terms

but to just knock down rates for all those loans because now it is hard to pay? sorry.....suck it up kiddies

life is a bitch....it is hard.....you are no longer living in your parents basement sheltered from the big bad world

you signed a contract.....be an adult, and live with it......or figure out how to make it better

Dovkan · Mar 25, 2015

gdgyva said:
these loans these students racked up......

did they sign those notes voluntarily?

were they in a language the kids could understand?

did they have parent overseeing some of the documents, and telling them "yeah, go ahead and sign"

did the colleges collect all the money....paid to the faculties, and administrators?

but now, the dems want to change the rules.....

they want the loans to be refinanced, and they just want rich people to pay for it

sorry.....no

if your credit history is good enough, some people can get their loans redone in better terms

but to just knock down rates for all those loans because now it is hard to pay? sorry.....suck it up kiddies

life is a bitch....it is hard.....you are no longer living in your parents basement sheltered from the big bad world

you signed a contract.....be an adult, and live with it......or figure out how to make it better

College should just be free, or regulated to make sure the prices don't go over the roof like they are now, just look at college prices and the drastic rise.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

Cardinal said:
It's a nice thought, but it's not how sides are drawn up on this forum. In discussions in which the interests of the rich and business are pitted against those of the poor and middle class, the theme of the threads are invariably right vs. left.

Yep. What has happened to conservatism to make it about catering to the needs of the wealthy?

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

gdgyva said:
they want the loans to be refinanced, and they just want rich people to pay for it

What in the hell does having a loan refinanced have to do with the rich paying for the loan? That idea is village idiot worthy.

gdgyva said:
if your credit history is good enough, some people can get their loans redone in better terms

There is no government program that allows people to refinance their student loans at lower rates. Its just not there. Don't even try it.

gdgyva said:
sorry.....suck it up kiddies

Yep! That's just what I thought. Like I said, Republicans are against the middle class. You don't hear them saying suck it up kiddies to the rich when its time for a tax increase.

MildSteel · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
College should just be free, or regulated to make sure the prices don't go over the roof like they are now, just look at college prices and the drastic rise.

The rate in which costs of higher education have skyrocketed is disgusting.

eohrnberger · Mar 25, 2015

Dovkan said:
College should just be free, or regulated to make sure the prices don't go over the roof like they are now, just look at college prices and the drastic rise.

Point of fact. Nothing is free. Just who ends of paying for it and how changes.

What you really are saying here is that everyone owes the young a free college education, and with that, I'd have to disagree.

Everything becomes perceived as worthless when it's given away for free (or perceived as such). That includes a college education.

I'd bolster community colleges, make sure their credits transfer to other schools seamlessly, and other schools can't refuse them, as community colleges can, and do, provide quality education opportunities at a better price point than say, the ivy league colleges. The market can do the rest of the heavy lifting on it's own.

Cardinal · Mar 25, 2015

MildSteel said:
Yep. What has happened to conservatism to make it about catering to the needs of the wealthy?

No idea, but the speed at which they'll sacrifice their own self interests for the interests of big business can cause whiplash. It's really uncanny.

haymarket · Mar 25, 2015

The people who establish GOP policy are most likely believers in the concept of the Talented Tenth - the idea that only about 10% of the population is really worth a damn and is needed to keep everything together. While the term is normally associated with W.E.B. DuBois and African Americans - it applies to those who look at most of the masses as simply fodder for their machine.

As such, they want to help that upper tenth as much as possible in the belief that if the upper tenth is in good shape - then the rest will fall into place.

Redress · Mar 25, 2015

Zyphlin said:
No, they simply strongly disagree with the Democrats on the methods that best go about helping the middle class, either in the long term or the short term. Undoubtably as well they likely have, in some fashions, different metrics and methods of determining what is "helpful" and what "isn't" in their minds.

The only way to say the Republicans are against helping the middle class is by judging them based off the Democratic view point on the issue as being the only potential way to view it and absolute/singular objective fact.

What makes this thread even sadder is that the opposition from republicans in the example was based on procedure, and not necessarily an unwillingness to consider the bill. I am not a fan of republicans, but for god's sake, let's try and be honest, accurate and make decent points, and not just spew over the top stupid rhetoric.

gdgyva · Mar 25, 2015

MildSteel said:
What in the hell does having a loan refinanced have to do with the rich paying for the loan? That idea is village idiot worthy.

The Bank on Students Emergency Loan Refinancing Act, would allow more than 25 million people to refinance their student loans to today’s lower interest rates of less than 4 percent. Warren paid for the bill with the “Buffet Rule” — a minimum 30 percent income tax payment from people who earn between $1 million and $2 million.

from the OP.....maybe i am not understanding your side.....but that seems pretty plain and simple to me......refinance the loans, and have the RICH pay for it......now who is the village idiot?

There is no government program that allows people to refinance their student loans at lower rates. Its just not there. Don't even try it.

did i say government? there are these things called backs and credit unions all over the country....which is why i said, IF you have good credit

Yep! That's just what I thought. Like I said, Republicans are against the middle class. You don't hear them saying suck it up kiddies to the rich when its time for a tax increase.

i am middle class....upper middle.....and i have zero issue with everyone paying their FAIR share......the issue is what i think is fair, and what you think are fair, are two extremely different things

Master PO · Mar 25, 2015

haymarket said:
The people who establish GOP policy are most likely believers in the concept of the Talented Tenth - the idea that only about 10% of the population is really worth a damn and is needed to keep everything together. While the term is normally associated with W.E.B. DuBois and African Americans - it applies to those who look at most of the masses as simply fodder for their machine.

As such, they want to help that upper tenth as much as possible in the belief that if the upper tenth is in good shape - then the rest will fall into place.

lets go on the idea you are correct about the GOP, do you really think the DNC is any better?... that they have the interest of the people, the states, and the union at heart, ...no.... they want redistribute of wealth equally among the people, and setting themselves up as the ones to do the redistribution, and tell everyone how much they care about us all, as they continue to accumulated more power over everyone and everything.

BOTH parties are bad......so criticizing just 1 of them is not being honest.

AlbqOwl · Mar 25, 2015

MildSteel said:
Oh please. Allowing consumers to refinance their student loan debt would definitely help the middle class.

So why the hell didn't the Republicans put forward such a "clean" bill. Why? Because they really don't give a damn about middle class people who are faithfully repaying their student loan debt.

The problem is that allowing consumers who are faithfully repaying their student loan debt the chance to refinance should not be about interest rates on student loan debt and federal treasury receipts. It should be about giving people who are repaying their loans in good faith some relief. Such a measure would help the middle class.

The Republicans weren't in power when that bill came up for a vote. The Democrats held the power in the Senate and Republicans weren't allowed to submit bills. And Harry Reid wouldn't allow any bill coming from the House to be put to a vote. So the bill that originated in the Senate failed because it only got 38 votes even though the Democrats held the majority and the House never got to vote on it.

Sucks when you can't blame the Republicans doesn't it.

jimbo · Mar 25, 2015

MildSteel said:
What in the hell does having a loan refinanced have to do with the rich paying for the loan? That idea is village idiot worthy.

There is no government program that allows people to refinance their student loans at lower rates. Its just not there. Don't even try it.

Yep! That's just what I thought. Like I said, Republicans are against the middle class. You don't hear them saying suck it up kiddies to the rich when its time for a tax increase.

Your statements make no sense. The Warren "refinance" bill would have been paid for by increasing taxes on the rich. How is that not having the rich pay for it? But you're right. That idea is village idiot worthy.

AFAIK, there is no bill proposed or even in effect that denies you the right to refinance your loan. You go to your own bank, the bank currently holding your student loan, or even daddy or granny, and borrow the money to pay off the higher interest loan. That's called refinancing. What you and Warren are talking about is subsidized restructuring. Not the same thing. Not a government program? Correct. Government should not exist to bail you out of bad decisions.

Born Free · Mar 25, 2015

MildSteel said:
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans

GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

Are you suggesting students are the middle class, if so then I ask are Democrats against the middle class. Try this out, the Republicans are for school vouchers and the democrats are against them pandering to the teachers unions instead of the student middle class holding them back from a good education from a school of their choice.

jimbo · Mar 25, 2015

MildSteel said:
The rate in which costs of higher education have skyrocketed is disgusting.

And why do you think that is happening?

haymarket · Mar 25, 2015

ernst barkmann said:
lets go on the idea you are correct about the GOP, do you really think the DNC is any better?... that they have the interest of the people, the states, and the union at heart, ...no.... they want redistribute of wealth equally among the people, and setting themselves up as the ones to do the redistribution, and tell everyone how much they care about us all, as they continue to accumulated more power over everyone and everything.

BOTH parties are bad......so criticizing just 1 of them is not being honest.

I dod not see that at all. But I would be happy to examine your evidence of the claim.

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