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Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

Who would you vote for if these ended up being the presidential candidates?


  • Total voters
    53
ZOLTAN!!!!!
How can you not vote for a guy named Zoltan?
 
I'm a Green, but I selected Bernie Sanders. If he could get the nomination, and a Green endorsement, he would have some potential. Otherwise, I would vote for Jill Stein. The Greens are not Corporate friendly and that is very important to me, and nearly as important as the environmental policies.
 
ZOLTAN!!!!!
How can you not vote for a guy named Zoltan?

I'm surprised we don't have Zoltan Barry by now.

Zoltán is a Hungarian masculine given name. It originates from the Old Turkish word soltan, sultan, meaning strong authority or rulership, which was borrowed from the Arabic sultan, and derived from an Arabic verb Sultah meaning authority or power. In modern times Zoltan and Sultan are used to mean king. Zoltan was one of the first kings of Hungary in the early 900s AD.

Zoltán - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
How's the establishment GOP stuff been working? The Speaker had the most votes against a speaker in a long time. People are sick and tired of Boehner acting like a cowtowing Yes man to the Democratic Party. Apparently you like that, but a moderate probably would.

How did Romney running to the right work out in 2012?

After the loss in 2012 the GOP spent millions on studies from pollsters, universities, etc. trying to figure how Obama, a man with waning support and in a weak economy easily defeated Romney. As far as I know all the studies I saw said the same thing. The moderate Romney ran too far to the right and that turned off the moderate voters, especially the younger voters.

I know Fox, and Limbaugh, Levin, and others are all saying the studies were wrong, and the GOP needs to move even further to the right. So then form your own party, and GTFO of the GOP. They can get some money, they got many conservative pundits who would give them some publicity, and they have households names like Palin and Cruz.

Get out. Form a far right 3rd party, especially on social issues, and see how 'it's our way or the highway', and you need to be 100% ideologically pure agenda works out for you.
 
How did Romney running to the right work out in 2012?

After the loss in 2012 the GOP spent millions on studies from pollsters, universities, etc. trying to figure how Obama, a man with waning support and in a weak economy easily defeated Romney. As far as I know all the studies I saw said the same thing. The moderate Romney ran too far to the right and that turned off the moderate voters, especially the younger voters.

I know Fox, and Limbaugh, Levin, and others are all saying the studies were wrong, and the GOP needs to move even further to the right. So then form your own party, and GTFO of the GOP. They can get some money, they got many conservative pundits who would give them some publicity, and they have households names like Palin and Cruz.

Get out. Form a far right 3rd party, especially on social issues, and see how 'it's our way or the highway', and you need to be 100% ideologically pure agenda works out for you.

It didn't work out too badly. In a very "centrist" country, almost 61 million people voted for Mitt Romney. For comparison, almost 66 million people voted for Barack Obama. Just because Romney didn't win doesn't mean that the GOP's next candidate shouldn't be somewhat to the right. Romney was hardly any hardcore right winger's ideal candidate for a lot of reasons. That's what made him very appealing to me.
 
Well, Ted Cruz has announced his bid for presidency. He did this on twitter account and there was a video too.

Sen. Ted Cruz announces presidential bid with Twitter post, video | Fox News

If the vote was to take place now, and the 2 candidates on the board for the main 2 parties were + the rest of the third party possibles:

Ted Cruz (R)

Hillary Clinton (D)

Terry Jones (I)

Zoltan Istvan (transhumanist party)

Jill Stein (Green Party)

Bernie Sanders (I)

Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

Who would you vote for and if you want to, why would you do that?

Cruz will never last - his tinny, strained, and odd voice will not command respect that is required.
 
Well, Ted Cruz has announced his bid for presidency. He did this on twitter account and there was a video too.

Sen. Ted Cruz announces presidential bid with Twitter post, video | Fox News

If the vote was to take place now, and the 2 candidates on the board for the main 2 parties were + the rest of the third party possibles:

Ted Cruz (R)

Hillary Clinton (D)

Terry Jones (I)

Zoltan Istvan (transhumanist party)

Jill Stein (Green Party)

Bernie Sanders (I)

Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

Who would you vote for and if you want to, why would you do that?

Ted Cruz. Enough of Killary.
 
Cruz will never last - his tinny, strained, and odd voice will not command respect that is required.

And I doubt he will carry favor with the moderates that usually decide elections. Especially in states who are a toss up.
 
Has anyone done a complete and factual Obama-Cruz side by side comparison? Just saying, anything is possible if the potential prince elect has the right backing.
 
Has anyone done a complete and factual Obama-Cruz side by side comparison? Just saying, anything is possible if the potential prince elect has the right backing.

Not needed, no matter what the "prince" thinks he cannot run in 2016. They would still have to side-step the 22nd Amendment, not an easy task.
 
Not needed, no matter what the "prince" thinks he cannot run in 2016. They would still have to side-step the 22nd Amendment, not an easy task.
Aside from that, please.
 
How did Romney running to the right work out in 2012?

After the loss in 2012 the GOP spent millions on studies from pollsters, universities, etc. trying to figure how Obama, a man with waning support and in a weak economy easily defeated Romney. As far as I know all the studies I saw said the same thing. The moderate Romney ran too far to the right and that turned off the moderate voters, especially the younger voters.

I know Fox, and Limbaugh, Levin, and others are all saying the studies were wrong, and the GOP needs to move even further to the right. So then form your own party, and GTFO of the GOP. They can get some money, they got many conservative pundits who would give them some publicity, and they have households names like Palin and Cruz.

Get out. Form a far right 3rd party, especially on social issues, and see how 'it's our way or the highway', and you need to be 100% ideologically pure agenda works out for you.

And I'm so sure you read every one of those studies. He didn't run all that conservative either because that's not who he is. Dont' kid yourself.
 
GOP's next candidate shouldn't be somewhat to the right.

The TP isn't 'somewhat to the right'. The TP is far to the right. Cruz announced this morning at Liberty University. You think there's a reason for that? Obviously his campaign will not be 'somewhat to the right'. He's going all out for the social conservatives and culture conservatives vote. He should take his message, and his agenda and get out out of the GOP with all the others who believe in his far right social conservative, religious right message.
 
I'm surprised we don't have Zoltan Barry by now.

Zoltán is a Hungarian masculine given name. It originates from the Old Turkish word soltan, sultan, meaning strong authority or rulership, which was borrowed from the Arabic sultan, and derived from an Arabic verb Sultah meaning authority or power. In modern times Zoltan and Sultan are used to mean king. Zoltan was one of the first kings of Hungary in the early 900s AD.

Zoltán - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After knowing a Zorko for 3 years I finally asked him his real name.
He said Zorko.
I said, No Your real name not you nick name.
He said Zorko.
I said, No I dont think you understand. What name did youir parents give you at birth?
He said Zorko
I said No your actual name the one on your birth certificate.
He pulled out his wallet and showed me his drivers liscence.
His actual name is
Zorko Von Plankenstein.
Yup just two letters off from being the most epic name ever!

Back to Zoltan
He should win because ALL HAIL ZOLTAN! just sounds better than Hello Mr President.
 
I voted for Johnson, but the last I heard he decided not to run.
 
Well, Ted Cruz has announced his bid for presidency. He did this on twitter account and there was a video too.

Sen. Ted Cruz announces presidential bid with Twitter post, video | Fox News

If the vote was to take place now, and the 2 candidates on the board for the main 2 parties were + the rest of the third party possibles:

Ted Cruz (R)

Hillary Clinton (D)

Terry Jones (I)

Zoltan Istvan (transhumanist party)

Jill Stein (Green Party)

Bernie Sanders (I)

Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

Who would you vote for and if you want to, why would you do that?

From that list I'd vote for Cruz. He'd be the only one with half a chance of scaling back the scope of the FedGov.
 
Last week CNN/ORC has a poll in which Hillary Clinton was put in head to heads with the biggest republican candidates:

Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush resulted in 55% Hillary and 40% Bush

Hillary Clinton vs. Chris Christie resulted in 55% Hillary and 40% Christie

Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio resulted in 55% Hillary and 42% Rubio

Hillary Clinton vs. Mike Huckabee resulted in 55% Hillary and 41% Huckabee

Hillary Clinton vs. Rand Paul resulted in 54% Hillary and 43% Paul

Hillary Clinton vs. Ben Carson resulted in 56% Hillary and 40% Carson

Hillary Clinton vs. Scott Walker resulted in 55% Hillary and 40% Walker

WH2016: General

McClatchy-Marist did their own poll in which Hillary scored as following:

Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio resulted in 49% Hillary and 42% Rubio

Hillary Clintion vs. Scott Walker resulted in 48% Hillary and 44% Walker

Hillary Clinton vs. Rick Perry resulted in 51% Hillary and 42% Perry

Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush resulted in 49% Hillary and 42% Bush

Hillary Clinton vs. Rand Paul resulted in 51% Hillary and 40% Paul


And they also included Ted Cruz and there Hillary would get 53% and Ted Cruz would get 39%


Most republican candidates so far fail to score big against Hillary but it is still early in the process.

Looks like they're pro-Hillary.
 
Absolutely none of the above.
 
I was just going to post something to that effect, as of now, the numbers for the candidates are as such (from an opinion poll from last week):

Jeb Bush 16%
Scott Walker 13%
Rand Paul 12%
Mike Huckabee 10%
Ben Carson 9%
Chris Christie 7%
Marco Rubio 7%
Ted Cruz 4%
Rick Perry 4%

Making him the 8th in line for the republican nomination. Now there are a few that will most likely not get the nomination. Ben Carson for example, Chris Christie for example and Mike Huckabee are not really likely presidential nominee candidates. The same goes for Cruz, Perry and Rubio.

The way it looks now it is going to be a battle between Bush, Walker and Rand Paul.
Paul has done major turnaround on his policy against intervention ISIL- Then changed to pro intervention.
He appears to be weak on FP????
 
The TP isn't 'somewhat to the right'. The TP is far to the right. Cruz announced this morning at Liberty University. You think there's a reason for that? Obviously his campaign will not be 'somewhat to the right'. He's going all out for the social conservatives and culture conservatives vote. He should take his message, and his agenda and get out out of the GOP with all the others who believe in his far right social conservative, religious right message.

Why? There's a large group of people in this country who actually consider that message when voting (not me, but they exist). Aren't they allowed to have a candidate who represents them?
 
Why? There's a large group of people in this country who actually consider that message when voting (not me, but they exist). Aren't they allowed to have a candidate who represents them?

Yes, I agree. They should have a candidate that represents them. That's why I wish Cruz, Palin and that bunch would form their own party.
 
Yes, I agree. They should have a candidate that represents them. That's why I wish Cruz, Palin and that bunch would form their own party.

Unless Cruz picks up a lot of steam here in NH, he has no chance. He won't win Iowa, he won't win here....he'll do well in the south, but he needs more than that.

He's not my favorite and I won't support him in the primaries, but there is no comparison to Sarah Palin. He's a very smart man. I disagree with his religious and social views, but he has natural smarts. Her, not so much.
 
Why? There's a large group of people in this country who actually consider that message when voting (not me, but they exist). Aren't they allowed to have a candidate who represents them?

Sure they are but the reason the GOP keeps losing is because they are courting a political base that most people hate. Given that we have an effective two-party system and both parties are courting the extremists, what do the rest of us, the people who are more moderate, do? Aren't we allowed to have a candidate who represents us too?
 
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