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Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

Who would you vote for if these ended up being the presidential candidates?


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Well, Ted Cruz has announced his bid for presidency. He did this on twitter account and there was a video too.

Sen. Ted Cruz announces presidential bid with Twitter post, video | Fox News

If the vote was to take place now, and the 2 candidates on the board for the main 2 parties were + the rest of the third party possibles:

Ted Cruz (R)

Hillary Clinton (D)

Terry Jones (I)

Zoltan Istvan (transhumanist party)

Jill Stein (Green Party)

Bernie Sanders (I)

Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

Who would you vote for and if you want to, why would you do that?
 
Time to sideline the two dinosaurs.
 
Why don't the TP show some balls and start their own 3rd party with Cruz as their nom and leader? Cruz has no chance of winning the GOP nom. The establishment GOP politicians hate him.

The GOP is going with Jeb in 2016, that's a given. So if Cruz and the TP are PO'ed about another establishment candidate running in 2016 then show some guts, break away. Instead of continuing to tear the GOP a apart take the Koch's money, and Cruz's and Palin's names and go. See how they can do away from the GOP.

But the reality is the TP isn't going anywhere. Never will happen. They'll continue to try and takeover of the GOP platform and ideology and continue with the civil war within the GOP. They get more publicity that way. The problem for the GOP is the Dems are loving the GOP civil war too.
 
Not American but purely taking these candidates into account, I would say the best option is Hillary Clinton. Or should I say the least worse LOL.
 
Why don't the TP show some balls and start their own 3rd party with Cruz as their nom and leader? Cruz has no chance of winning the GOP nom. The establishment GOP politicians hate him.

The GOP is going with Jeb in 2016, that's a given. So if Cruz and the TP are PO'ed about another establishment candidate running in 2016 then show some guts, break away. Instead of continuing to tear the GOP a apart take the Koch's money, and Cruz's and Palin's names and go. See how they can do away from the GOP.

But the reality is the TP isn't going anywhere. Never will happen. They'll continue to try and takeover of the GOP platform and ideology and continue with the civil war within the GOP. They get more publicity that way. The problem for the GOP is the Dems are loving the GOP civil war too.

I was just going to post something to that effect, as of now, the numbers for the candidates are as such (from an opinion poll from last week):

Jeb Bush 16%
Scott Walker 13%
Rand Paul 12%
Mike Huckabee 10%
Ben Carson 9%
Chris Christie 7%
Marco Rubio 7%
Ted Cruz 4%
Rick Perry 4%

Making him the 8th in line for the republican nomination. Now there are a few that will most likely not get the nomination. Ben Carson for example, Chris Christie for example and Mike Huckabee are not really likely presidential nominee candidates. The same goes for Cruz, Perry and Rubio.

The way it looks now it is going to be a battle between Bush, Walker and Rand Paul.
 
Well, Ted Cruz has announced his bid for presidency. He did this on twitter account and there was a video too.

Sen. Ted Cruz announces presidential bid with Twitter post, video | Fox News

If the vote was to take place now, and the 2 candidates on the board for the main 2 parties were + the rest of the third party possibles:

Ted Cruz (R)

Hillary Clinton (D)

Terry Jones (I)

Zoltan Istvan (transhumanist party)

Jill Stein (Green Party)

Bernie Sanders (I)

Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

Who would you vote for and if you want to, why would you do that?

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 because I didn't trust one major political party's candidate and lost faith in the other major political party's candidate. I would probably vote for Johnson again in 2016 if my choice was between Cruz and Hillary.

I do not trust either one of them. Although it probably wouldn't make much difference in the scope of things who wins. As long as the winner is from one of the major parties it will be business as usual.
 
I was just going to post something to that effect, as of now, the numbers for the candidates are as such (from an opinion poll from last week):

Jeb Bush 16%
Scott Walker 13%
Rand Paul 12%
Mike Huckabee 10%
Ben Carson 9%
Chris Christie 7%
Marco Rubio 7%
Ted Cruz 4%
Rick Perry 4%

Making him the 8th in line for the republican nomination. Now there are a few that will most likely not get the nomination. Ben Carson for example, Chris Christie for example and Mike Huckabee are not really likely presidential nominee candidates. The same goes for Cruz, Perry and Rubio.

The way it looks now it is going to be a battle between Bush, Walker and Rand Paul.

Here is the latest from RCP on the nominations, you can look at 5 different polls. RCP then averages all of them out for their final percentages.

Republican

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - 2016 Republican Presidential Nomination

Democrat

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - 2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination

Head to head match ups

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Presidential Race
 
Last week CNN/ORC has a poll in which Hillary Clinton was put in head to heads with the biggest republican candidates:

Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush resulted in 55% Hillary and 40% Bush

Hillary Clinton vs. Chris Christie resulted in 55% Hillary and 40% Christie

Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio resulted in 55% Hillary and 42% Rubio

Hillary Clinton vs. Mike Huckabee resulted in 55% Hillary and 41% Huckabee

Hillary Clinton vs. Rand Paul resulted in 54% Hillary and 43% Paul

Hillary Clinton vs. Ben Carson resulted in 56% Hillary and 40% Carson

Hillary Clinton vs. Scott Walker resulted in 55% Hillary and 40% Walker

WH2016: General

McClatchy-Marist did their own poll in which Hillary scored as following:

Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio resulted in 49% Hillary and 42% Rubio

Hillary Clintion vs. Scott Walker resulted in 48% Hillary and 44% Walker

Hillary Clinton vs. Rick Perry resulted in 51% Hillary and 42% Perry

Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush resulted in 49% Hillary and 42% Bush

Hillary Clinton vs. Rand Paul resulted in 51% Hillary and 40% Paul


And they also included Ted Cruz and there Hillary would get 53% and Ted Cruz would get 39%


Most republican candidates so far fail to score big against Hillary but it is still early in the process.
 
I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 because I didn't trust one major political party's candidate and lost faith in the other major political party's candidate. I would probably vote for Johnson again in 2016 if my choice was between Cruz and Hillary.

I do not trust either one of them. Although it probably wouldn't make much difference in the scope of things who wins. As long as the winner is from one of the major parties it will be business as usual.

Yes, but that is how the US system works, it favors the mighty/big 2 and makes it nearly impossible for someone else to win the most important office in the US.
 
I'm not even a little interested in Ted Cruz or any of the options listed, but I will definitely and enthusiastically vote against Hillary Clinton should she decide to run.
 
I'm not even a little interested in Ted Cruz or any of the options listed, but I will definitely and enthusiastically vote against Hillary Clinton should she decide to run.

But will that "dislike" vote be able to carry that candidate to enough electoral votes? I am not that sure. You need a superstar to defeat Hillary I would assume.
 
I am hopeful that Hillary will continue to defeat herself.
 
Yes, but that is how the US system works, it favors the mighty/big 2 and makes it nearly impossible for someone else to win the most important office in the US.

That comes from the fact the two major parties write the election laws as a mutual protection act. Then there are the lobbyists, special interests, corporations, wall street firms, etc. who donate millions to the two major parties and none to third parties. This is why Romney had a billion dollars and Obama had a billion dollars to spend on their campaigns, Johnson was in third place with 3 million dollars. When the two major parties can outspend you 2 billion to 3 million, your message is not going to get out.

Then you have the presidential debates, the two major parties took them from the League of Woman's voters because the league allowed Ross Perot to take part in them. The two major parties vowed never again and yank them from the League. Our political system is a monopoly.

We think we have a choice of whom to vote for, but that choice is determined by the establishment. Not the voters. In reality we only have one political party, but that party has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing.
 
I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 because I didn't trust one major political party's candidate and lost faith in the other major political party's candidate. I would probably vote for Johnson again in 2016 if my choice was between Cruz and Hillary.

I do not trust either one of them. Although it probably wouldn't make much difference in the scope of things who wins. As long as the winner is from one of the major parties it will be business as usual.

True, but how much effort has come from Johnson, how hard is he trying?
 
I'm not even a little interested in Ted Cruz or any of the options listed, but I will definitely and enthusiastically vote against Hillary Clinton should she decide to run.

Lets hope the Dems come up with some other choices by then. Nothing is etched in stone yet, and to think Hillary is the only one might be wishful thinking by the Clintons, although I doubt even Bill thinks she'll make it. The dude has too much ego to let that happen.
 
But will that "dislike" vote be able to carry that candidate to enough electoral votes? I am not that sure. You need a superstar to defeat Hillary I would assume.

Election forecasts is a hobby of mine. I break the states down into two categories when it comes to electoral votes. Democratic trustworthy states, states that have gone Democratic for each of the last 4 presidential elections and by a margin of at least 5 percentage points in each election. They total up to 247 electoral votes. Using the same criteria for the Republicans, their trustworthy states total only 191, 270 needed to win.

The toss up or swing states are
Florida 29 Electoral votes
Ohio 18
North Carolina 15
Virginia 13
Colorado 9
Iowa 6
Nevada 6
New Hampshire 4

Do the math, they aren't many paths for a Republican to win in the electoral college. Unless Obama fatigue sets in big time like bush fatigue did back in 2007, I do not foresee a Republican winning.
 
True, but how much effort has come from Johnson, how hard is he trying?

No one knows which way or whom the Libertarians will nominate in 2016. I would assume as of today, he is doing absolutely nothing.
 
Election forecasts is a hobby of mine. I break the states down into two categories when it comes to electoral votes. Democratic trustworthy states, states that have gone Democratic for each of the last 4 presidential elections and by a margin of at least 5 percentage points in each election. They total up to 247 electoral votes. Using the same criteria for the Republicans, their trustworthy states total only 191, 270 needed to win.

The toss up or swing states are
Florida 29 Electoral votes
Ohio 18
North Carolina 15
Virginia 13
Colorado 9
Iowa 6
Nevada 6
New Hampshire 4

Do the math, they aren't many paths for a Republican to win in the electoral college. Unless Obama fatigue sets in big time like bush fatigue did back in 2007, I do not foresee a Republican winning.

It depends who is running for the Dems. If its some old hat, they might have a chance. If its someone new and refreshing...Warren i.e., the Reps should pack up now.
 
No one knows which way or whom the Libertarians will nominate in 2016. I would assume as of today, he is doing absolutely nothing.

But it is time for some sign of life.
 
Why don't the TP show some balls and start their own 3rd party with Cruz as their nom and leader? Cruz has no chance of winning the GOP nom. The establishment GOP politicians hate him.

The GOP is going with Jeb in 2016, that's a given. So if Cruz and the TP are PO'ed about another establishment candidate running in 2016 then show some guts, break away. Instead of continuing to tear the GOP a apart take the Koch's money, and Cruz's and Palin's names and go. See how they can do away from the GOP.

But the reality is the TP isn't going anywhere. Never will happen. They'll continue to try and takeover of the GOP platform and ideology and continue with the civil war within the GOP. They get more publicity that way. The problem for the GOP is the Dems are loving the GOP civil war too.

How's the establishment GOP stuff been working? The Speaker had the most votes against a speaker in a long time. People are sick and tired of Boehner acting like a cowtowing Yes man to the Democratic Party. Apparently you like that, but a moderate probably would.
 
Well, Ted Cruz has announced his bid for presidency. He did this on twitter account and there was a video too.

Sen. Ted Cruz announces presidential bid with Twitter post, video | Fox News

If the vote was to take place now, and the 2 candidates on the board for the main 2 parties were + the rest of the third party possibles:

Ted Cruz (R)

Hillary Clinton (D)

Terry Jones (I)

Zoltan Istvan (transhumanist party)

Jill Stein (Green Party)

Bernie Sanders (I)

Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

Who would you vote for and if you want to, why would you do that?

I do not think this is going to be an accurate assessment of things, not even close.
 
It depends who is running for the Dems. If its some old hat, they might have a chance. If its someone new and refreshing...Warren i.e., the Reps should pack up now.

I tend to agree with you. I think Hillary would be the easiest, let me rephrase that, the least hardest to beat. Independents are not too thrilled with her. But they are even less thrilled with the listed Republican choices. Hillary usually win independents in head to head match ups with the different prospective Republican nominees 50-40. How much of that is name recognition is hard to say this far out.
 
But it is time for some sign of life.

Not with Libertarians. From what I have seen they do not really take whom they will nominate until around their convention time. Even if Johnson started running now, the main stream media would pay him no attention. You would have to tune into C-Span to find out anything about him.
 
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