Did Hillary Clinton Lie about turning over all of her work-related emails?

[cpwill]

Hillary Clinton claimed that she turned over all of her work-related emails to the State Department..... but refused to turn over (and seems to have destroyed) tens of thousands of emails during that time. Massive gaps exist in the records that she turned over - for example, when she flew to Libya and during the Benghazi attack.... we have weeks of gaps in which Clinton claims no work-related emails occurred.....

Which leaves us with an interesting dilemma. Either this means that Clinton was completely off the job for critical weeks of American foreign policy..... or she's lying.


So, which is it?

 

[ttwtt78640]

There is also the possibility (which I consider to be a probability) that the "missing" emails (those that did not make the transfer to the state department) would show communication between HRC and non-state department personnel about official matters of policy. It is not assured (much less likely) that HRC would consider those emails to be part of her official duties or that they should be included in the official record thereof.

Naturally this could be done even if one had an official email address by simply using alternate methods to converse with the same parties. Perhaps the "convenience" was simply being able to take years to decide what the official record should include.

 

[Declan]

Hillary Clinton claimed that she turned over all of her work-related emails to the State Department..... but refused to turn over (and seems to have destroyed) tens of thousands of emails during that time. Massive gaps exist in the records that she turned over - for example, when she flew to Libya and during the Benghazi attack.... we have weeks of gaps in which Clinton claims no work-related emails occurred.....

Which leaves us with an interesting dilemma. Either this means that Clinton was completely off the job for critical weeks of American foreign policy..... or she's lying.


So, which is it?

Maybe she just called people on a secure satphone during that period. I don't buy her story generally, but I would not expect a SoS to be communicating but on secure channels while overseas on sensitive trips.

 

[pbrauer]

In my opinion, you are working with a poor assumpton. That she cant do her work without email. In case you missed it they have developed this thing call a phone.

 

[Summerwind]

Hillary Clinton claimed that she turned over all of her work-related emails to the State Department..... but refused to turn over (and seems to have destroyed) tens of thousands of emails during that time. Massive gaps exist in the records that she turned over - for example, when she flew to Libya and during the Benghazi attack.... we have weeks of gaps in which Clinton claims no work-related emails occurred.....

Which leaves us with an interesting dilemma. Either this means that Clinton was completely off the job for critical weeks of American foreign policy..... or she's lying.


So, which is it?

Probably she's lying. I have no doubt the NSA can and may have recovered everything she ever sent regardless of where from. That said, why should we judge Clinton harshly over lying when all pols lie? As far as we can tell though, at least her lies didn't take us into decades long wars that were the catalyst to ISIS et al. Yes, iirc, she bought the lies of the previous administration, but she didn't create them as far as I'm aware.

I think in the end whether she lied or not, it's the outcome of the misdeeds that were lied about that matter. That's perhaps why many aren't too worried about this.

 

[ttwtt78640]

In my opinion, you are working with a poor assumpton. That she cant do her work without email. In case you missed it they have developed this thing call a phone.

Yep, and sig-int folks in foreign lands never listen in on those things. It is more likely that HRC did use email but chose to not consider that to be official business.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Probably she's lying. I have no doubt the NSA can and may have recovered everything she ever sent regardless of where from. That said, why should we judge Clinton harshly over lying when all pols lie? As far as we can tell though, at least her lies didn't take us into decades long wars that were the catalyst to ISIS et al. Yes, iirc, she bought the lies of the previous administration, but she didn't create them as far as I'm aware.

I think in the end whether she lied or not, it's the outcome of the misdeeds that were lied about that matter. That's perhaps why many aren't too worried about this.

The bolded above is the crux of this entire issue.

 

[Summerwind]

The bolded above is the crux of this entire issue.

How could a first time Senator, not of the same party as the Executive, have created the lies that were used to lie us into war with Iraq? Please explain how it would be possible.

 

[pbrauer]

Yep, and sig-int folks in foreign lands never listen in on those things. It is more likely that HRC did use email but chose to not consider that to be official business.

She could have done the same thing if she two email accounts.

 

[ttwtt78640]

She could have done the same thing if she two email accounts.

Yet it is more "convenient" to use one and decide later what subset should be made available to the public. It is harder to decide what might be a mistake to put on the record, at the time, than to have the advantage of making that decision years later.

 

[pbrauer]

Yet it is more "convenient" to use one and decide later what subset should be made available to the public. It is harder to decide what might be a mistake to put on the record, at the time, than to have the advantage of making that decision years later.

All the email she sent to State landed in their servers, it wasn't archived immediately as she thought because that process wasn't working until recently, but eventually it will/was land there.

 

[ttwtt78640]

All the email she sent to State landed in their servers, it wasn't archived immediately as she thought because that process wasn't working until recently, but eventually it will/was land there.

Sure it will, especially if it makes the current administration look bad. Look how fast the IRS emails came out.

 

[Paschendale]

What exactly do you folks think you'll find in these e-mails? What do you think, specifically, will be there that will be important in some way?

 

[cpwill]

In my opinion, you are working with a poor assumpton. That she cant do her work without email. In case you missed it they have developed this thing call a phone.

Oh yes, I've heard of them. High ranking people who are often in transit have them and even have secured versions - that's how they do a lot of their email.

 

[cpwill]

What exactly do you folks think you'll find in these e-mails? What do you think, specifically, will be there that will be important in some way?

:shrug: I don't know. And since she destroyed ~32,000 government documents rather than let anyone take a look at them, we'll never know.

 

[MMC]

:shrug: I don't know. And since she destroyed ~32,000 government documents rather than let anyone take a look at them, we'll never know.

Mornin CPW. :2wave: Also why did she wait two years?

 

[Rogue Valley]

:shrug: I don't know. And since she destroyed ~32,000 government documents rather than let anyone take a look at them, we'll never know.

What I can't quite wrap my head around is why she would destroy/delete what she considered personal communications. These would have been invaluable in future projects such as an autobiography, her personal memoirs, or a possible presidential library where these materials would be available to researchers and assist them in shaping her historical legacy. It just doesn't add up IMHO.

 

[American]

Oh yes, I've heard of them. High ranking people who are often in transit have them and even have secured versions - that's how they do a lot of their email.

She used her private SIPRNET account. :lol:

 

[American]

What I can't quite wrap my head around is why she would destroy/delete what she considered personal communications. These would have been invaluable in future projects such as an autobiography, her personal memoirs, or a possible presidential library where these materials would be available to researchers and assist them in shaping her historical legacy. It just doesn't add up IMHO.

Well stuff like her daughters wedding were unimportant. :lol:

 

[cpwill]

Mornin CPW. :2wave: Also why did she wait two years?

That's when they became aware of the possible threat You typically don't start massive ShredOps until you perceive the need to.

 

[cpwill]

What I can't quite wrap my head around is why she would destroy/delete what she considered personal communications. These would have been invaluable in future projects such as an autobiography, her personal memoirs, or a possible presidential library where these materials would be available to researchers and assist them in shaping her historical legacy. It just doesn't add up IMHO.

There have been suggestions that her campaign has been playing with the notion of "Grandmother In Chief" as a theme. Newsflash to ClintonInc. Grandmothers keep that stuff.

 

[MMC]

Hillary Clinton claimed that she turned over all of her work-related emails to the State Department..... but refused to turn over (and seems to have destroyed) tens of thousands of emails during that time. Massive gaps exist in the records that she turned over - for example, when she flew to Libya and during the Benghazi attack.... we have weeks of gaps in which Clinton claims no work-related emails occurred.....

Which leaves us with an interesting dilemma. Either this means that Clinton was completely off the job for critical weeks of American foreign policy..... or she's lying.


So, which is it?

Here is what Gowdy said on Fox News Sunday.....note the date he states they asked for the emails. What they had received and then months later what they got. Also with what he says about that trip to Libya.

Course there is that matter about her and her attorneys deciding what was or wasn't. He also brings up a good point about emails being mixed with personal and business matters.

 

[MMC]

That's when they became aware of the possible threat You typically don't start massive ShredOps until you perceive the need to.

You know that form OF109.....well there is another form she needs to present. Form 1904, where a State Department official has to certify that the person who's removed this material has gotten permission to remove the material.

 

[tres borrachos]

Yes, she's probably lying. Unfortunately the Clintons have a history of that.

 

[Paschendale]

:shrug: I don't know. And since she destroyed ~32,000 government documents rather than let anyone take a look at them, we'll never know.

But you seem to expect to find something malicious.