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Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?


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Never will I stop being a bitch, I like being Beautiful, Intelligent, Talented, Clever, and Honest. And I'd rather be a bitch than a chicken little.

Ok, true enough.
 
So long as those dossiers are have no more personal detail than I could acquire if I decided to monitor all the postings on DP, then I don't have a problem. It's a public site. So long as they only access what normal members access, their algorithms and such are no more detrimental than those being used by google and other ad agencies everytime you enter a page at DP. If it's okay for ad agencies and google to be tracking what I do and type on a public forum, then it's okay for the government. Actually google et al probably have waaayyyy more personal information due to general browsing and computer identification than anyone could get of DP even with a warrant.

I suppose I have two issues with it. One, a site like this is relatively benign and as such, it is a waste of resources. The second thing is that it could be used as a mechanism to suppress dissent, as opposed to preventing threats. It is said that the government used to IRS to target people because of their political views. If that is true, such monitoring could potentially lead the government to unnecessarily target and harass people who in reality pose no threat, but are simply expressing a point of view that they do not like.
 
So the poll stands at

Yes: 2
No: 25
Maybe: 5
DK: 1

Not sure why some idiot is spamming the 'yes' vote.

DP staff might review past polls for a pattern of what ideology is scamming the polls. Be it NeoCons, Libs, Communists, Cubans, Kiwis, or Dems and Repubs. A lean will be revealed by the collective analysis of the past polls.
 
I suppose I have two issues with it. One, a site like this is relatively benign and as such, it is a waste of resources. The second thing is that it could be used as a mechanism to suppress dissent, as opposed to preventing threats. It is said that the government used to IRS to target people because of their political views. If that is true, such monitoring could potentially lead the government to unnecessarily target and harass people who in reality pose no threat, but are simply expressing a point of view that they do not like.

Exactly. Especially to your second point. But hey, if your not saying anything wrong, what's the problem? :roll:
 
And who said they think it's being monitored, hmm? Need a little comprehension course. The op asks whether or not we think it should be monitored by the government. For those that value their constitutional liberties, of course not. For the shivering scared rest, well, apparently.

I don't think the op was about civil liberties. I think it was asking is there anything on this site that is subversive?
 
DP staff might review past polls for a pattern of what ideology is scamming the polls. Be it NeoCons, Libs, Communists, Cubans, Kiwis, or Dems and Repubs. A lean will be revealed by the collective analysis of the past polls.

because no one ever lies when they answer an anonymous poll?
 
I don't think the op was about civil liberties. I think it was asking is there anything on this site that is subversive?

No, the op asked me if I think that the government should monitor DP. And my response is no, it's counter to civil liberty. Americans don't need monitoring, the government needs monitoring if you just note the number of scandals on any given day due to the lack thereof.
 
because no one ever lies when they answer an anonymous poll?

I think an agenda will be revealed by such an analysis. We are also not talking about anonymous polls. An agenda has a particular aim/objective and that is what you want revealed. If everyone lies on your polls, that's OK with me and apparently you.
 
I think an agenda will be revealed by such an analysis. We are also not talking about anonymous polls. An agenda has a particular aim/objective and that is what you want revealed. If everyone lies on your polls, that's OK with me and apparently you.

I thought what people were complaining about is that anonymous people were being allowed to vote on the polls? Per WCH's post:
Up until yesterday, non-members could vote in the Poll section. No longer.

non-members = anonymous.

I don't care if people lie on polls on this site. The polls are meaningless here.
 
Exactly. Especially to your second point. But hey, if your not saying anything wrong, what's the problem? :roll:

Good one! Any rate, there are quite a few paranoid idiots out there that create problems out of nothing. It becomes a big problem when they occupy positions in the government where they can affect people's lives. Over and above that, there are some outside of the government who are paranoid and use sites like this to create twisted propaganda and smears to provide cover for their nefarious intent.
 
Good one! Any rate, there are quite a few paranoid idiots out there that create problems out of nothing. It becomes a big problem when they occupy positions in the government where they can affect people's lives. Over and above that, there are some outside of the government who are paranoid and use sites like this to create twisted propaganda and smears to provide cover for their nefarious intent.

I don't believe I've seen anyone here doing that, but then this board has a lot of forums, and I'm busy enough in just 2-3 of them.
 
Not without a warrant they shouldn't.

you mean they should have to get a search warrant to read a public thread that anyone in the world can log onto at leisure?

should we all have a secret handshake too before you can punch "debatepolitics" into google?
 
I don't believe I've seen anyone here doing that, but then this board has a lot of forums, and I'm busy enough in just 2-3 of them.

Some here do indeed create twisted propaganda to put forward and agenda.
 
Some here do indeed create twisted propaganda to put forward and agenda.

OH please! Everyone here does. We are here to voice our opinions of what we think is, was, and should be, and we want to be heard, ie propaganda, and since it's OUR perspective that we hope will influence readers, if not fellow members, there's an agenda.
 
OH please! Everyone here does. We are here to voice our opinions of what we think is, was, and should be, and we want to be heard, ie propaganda, and since it's OUR perspective that we hope will influence readers, if not fellow members, there's an agenda.

Of course we create propaganda. But it is another thing when you deliberately distort the truth.
 
Of course we create propaganda. But it is another thing when you deliberately distort the truth.

There are very few "truths" that are undeniably verifiable. Everything else is really perspective based on the facts, psuedo-facts, lies, and misdirections of others.
 
Of course we create propaganda. But it is another thing when you deliberately distort the truth.

For example, here's a thread that's clearly propaganda. "Class warfare" is no longer working for the O'Reilly and his minions, so they are trying to get a new catch phrase off the ground and his minions are doing his biding. Clearly it's not a lie, but it's also not the truth, evenso it's propaganda.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...21-does-grievance-industry-actually-want.html
 
There are very few "truths" that are undeniably verifiable. Everything else is really perspective based on the facts, psuedo-facts, lies, and misdirections of others.

what? I thought "I I I I " embodied the verifiable truth!!!!!!!

ok, that was an "Angels in America" reference, extra points to those who caught it...
 
For example, here's a thread that's clearly propaganda. "Class warfare" is no longer working for the O'Reilly and his minions, so they are trying to get a new catch phrase off the ground and his minions are doing his biding. Clearly it's not a lie, but it's also not the truth, evenso it's propaganda.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...21-does-grievance-industry-actually-want.html

That is an example of a deliberate distortion of the truth. I have noticed that one technique used is to put forward a hypothetical in the guise of conveying a message. In that case the idea that is put forward is that those protesting Trevyon, etc. are trying to overthrow the government. The poster does not explicitly say that, but the hypothetical is framed in such a way that it gives the appearance that such protestors are trying to do that.
 
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they already do.

That could indeed be the case. It could also be that some who post here are government agents in disguise, or that work with government agents in some fashion.
 
IF our government had a viable efficient way of doing this . .Then .. yes .. But, I think not that people and computer systems have advanced that much .
 
IF our government had a viable efficient way of doing this . .Then .. yes .. But, I think not that people and computer systems have advanced that much .

Oh dear. :shock:
 
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