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Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?


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Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Conveniently ignored, while no nation has a right to such things, the poll could have been phrased better, it's whether or not a nation can do it, or if a stronger nation can prevent them. Who was going to prevent America from acquiring them, or who is going to take them away from us. Might makes right. As to Iran, people are keen to point out that they sponsor terrorism, well, that's too bad, but so does Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UK and many other ally's of ours, not to mention our own history of its use to advance our "interests". Americans tend to be very patronising.
I agree. It's complete hypocrisy.

This isn't about equity or fairness, take that back to where it belongs--kindergarten.
Don't troll the thread and stick to the point.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Well, in that case, then neither does this.:

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It, too, is just a figment of someone's overactive imagination.

I'm not going to dig into the math but so long as the data is accurate, then the equation absolutely is real and possibly provides valid figures. There is no data for rights. Nobody can explain where their information came from. It's all subjective, people just demanding that a certain kind of rights are actually real and valid without being able to show why this is actually true.

Do try again though.
 
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I think that it's hard to justify to Iran how allowing Israel to have a nuclear arsenal with its record of aggression & illegal Expansion, UN Resolution violations routine massacres in Gaza, S Lebanon etc is justified when Iran is forced to go by rules Israel is allowed to flaunt

What's the point of having any Nuclear regulation unless they're uniformly enforced........that's all.


Thanks

(We can drop this if you'd like since it seems to be a simple difference of opinion)

No. I think it is also a difference of opinion. But the main thing here is that Iran is and Israel is not forbidden to have nuclear weapons. And the Security Council decided that something had to be done about Iran.
 
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There is no data for rights. Nobody can explain where their information came from.

It is problematic to create a mathematical construct to describe an abstract concept that has no physical manifestation. To my knowledge, no one has yet been able to touch, see, feel, taste, or hear a "right." But it's a but presumptuous, I think, to claim that such a thing doesn't exist simply because it can't be quantified. I mean, who can show the data proving that love exists or can quantify it? NOBODY! It's completely subjective, and yet for anyone to then declare that love doesn't exist is absurd on its face.
 
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It is problematic to create a mathematical construct to describe an abstract concept that has no physical manifestation. To my knowledge, no one has yet been able to touch, see, feel, taste, or hear a "right." But it's a but presumptuous, I think, to claim that such a thing doesn't exist simply because it can't be quantified. I mean, who can show the data proving that love exists or can quantify it? NOBODY! It's completely subjective, and yet for anyone to then declare that love doesn't exist is absurd on its face.

Funny, science does it all the time, there are mathematical models for all kinds of things that we cannot study in reality. But when it comes to crazy libertarian nonsense, suddenly it can't be done? It's just a bunch of people waving their arms around and pretending that somehow, in some undefined and undefended way, they've just magically struck on this imaginary reality that these rights are just floating around out there in the ether and when someone asks how you've come to that conclusion, objectively, rationally and with evidence, you have nothing to present but your certainty that it just has to be right because it makes you feel good to think so.

Sure. Whatever you say.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Funny, science does it all the time....

Fine. So direct me to the scientific "love equation" that proves what people already know, i.e. that love exists.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Fine. So direct me to the scientific "love equation" that proves what people already know, i.e. that love exists.

You are aware that we can detect love with MRIs, right? It is entirely measurable via scientific means.
 
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You are aware that we can detect love with MRIs, right? It is entirely measurable via scientific means.

Sure. So if love can be measured, what is the "love" unit of value? Where is that love equation I asked for earlier? What is a hug equivalent to?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Funny, science does it all the time, there are mathematical models for all kinds of things that we cannot study in reality.

One more thing. Mathematics is a construct used as a link to the physical world, so even if you delve into the realm of, say, theoretical astrophysics, math is being utilized in an attempt to explain some aspect of the physical universe that we can't currently see or measure empirically. Honestly, good luck on any attempt to empirically quantify love.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

You are aware that we can detect love with MRIs, right? It is entirely measurable via scientific means.
lulz

They can detect 'hatred', also. So much for science.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Sure. So if love can be measured, what is the "love" unit of value? Where is that love equation I asked for earlier? What is a hug equivalent to?

Since it's clear you didn't even bother to do a Google search and find out what you were talking about, why don't you go do that?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

One more thing. Mathematics is a construct used as a link to the physical world, so even if you delve into the realm of, say, theoretical astrophysics, math is being utilized in an attempt to explain some aspect of the physical universe that we can't currently see or measure empirically. Honestly, good luck on any attempt to empirically quantify love.

One of many. You'll ignore it, of course. :roll:

What Is Love? MRI Scan Reveals What Stages Of Romantic Love You're In Via Brain Map
 
Crazy people don't have rights to guns and crazy countries don't have rights to nukes
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Sure, Iran has the right to do whatever they want. They are a soverign nation. We, also have the right to get together with our allies and make it difficult for them to acquire nukes, simple as that. In the end, its not what you have the right to do, it is what you have the ability to do. Rights, only restrict those who abide strictly by them while others do whatever they want. It only works when everyone agrees to respect them.
 
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I already told you everyone knows love exists. I don't need to see an MRI or conduct a Google search to confirm that. What I'm questioning is whether love can be empirically measured based on some objective standard, like a cubic meter of water at a particular temperature in degrees Celsius. I mean, I read your article, but nowhere did I see it mention anything about a "love unit." I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I've seen no evidence anyone has successfully done this.

My contention is love is an emotion that can't be quantified because of its subjective nature; no one can state how much love they possess at any given time, but then they know love when they see it. They also know its converse, hate. I'd say Hitler exterminating six million Jews or whatever it was pretty much redlines the hate meter for most folks. But it's not my job to prove your contention. If you've got something to show other than some pretty brain pictures then show it.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I already told you everyone knows love exists. I don't need to see an MRI or conduct a Google search to confirm that. What I'm questioning is whether love can be empirically measured based on some objective standard, like a cubic meter of water at a particular temperature in degrees Celsius. I mean, I read your article, but nowhere did I see it mention anything about a "love unit." I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I've seen no evidence anyone has successfully done this.

My contention is love is an emotion that can't be quantified because of its subjective nature; no one can state how much love they possess at any given time, but then they know love when they see it. They also know its converse, hate. I'd say Hitler exterminating six million Jews or whatever it was pretty much redlines the hate meter for most folks. But it's not my job to prove your contention. If you've got something to show other than some pretty brain pictures then show it.

This serves as a perfect example of the utter absurdity of the religious, theists have got this ridiculous idea in their heads and don't give a damn if it's defensible. They're willing to contort reality to fit their idiotic belief rather than just fit their belief to reality and they don't seem to realize that everyone is laughing at their efforts. The fact is, love isn't some magical, mystical thing, it's an electrochemical reaction going on inside the physical brain and nothing else. That doesn't make theists feel good though, it doesn't give them that ego boost and make them feel special so they entirely ignore reality in favor of their idiotic faith.

Can love be quantified? Sure, to a certain degree. We have no scale for measuring it but the MRI can measure the intensity of the emotion. You wouldn't know that because you have no interest in the reality, you've got your nose stuck in that moronic Big Book of Multiple Choice.
 
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Wow, quantitative love is the answer to the Iranian nuclear dilemma.
 
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This serves as a perfect example of the utter absurdity of the religious, theists have got this ridiculous idea in their heads and don't give a damn if it's defensible. They're willing to contort reality to fit their idiotic belief rather than just fit their belief to reality and they don't seem to realize that everyone is laughing at their efforts.

So I mention the slaughter of six million Jews and from that you conclude I'm invoking a religious argument? Wowza! Okay, here's where the laughter enters: Six million Jews (or three million Cambodians or one million Armenians or whatever genocide you want) are murdered, and if we accept your argument on its face it's inconsequential because all we're really talking about is the rearrangement of atoms that con no longer perform their electrochemical reaction. No value whatsoever is placed on the fact that these were living beings with the ability to reason, love, be loved, and suffer. In other words, there is no statement concerning right or wrong, good or bad, or anything like that. We're all just animate matter in a completely nihilistic universe. Is that about the size of it?

Sorry, but I just can't swallow that argument. The fact that there is such a thing as reason in this universe, regardless of its origin, compels me toward the conclusion that living things should not have to endure unnecessary suffering or loss of life even though they are just an amalgamation of organic matter. If the world were populated with nothing but imbeciles who could only FEEL the whole gamut of human emotions, that moral truth would still hold, IMHO. I mean, it's wholly natural for me to accept a construct that says living things do have rights even if I don't have data to support my reasoning. Most people, I think, hold the same or similar views, regardless of their personal religious beliefs.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Wow, quantitative love is the answer to the Iranian nuclear dilemma.

Cephus here seems to think he has the answer to the poll: Iran doesn't have a right to nuclear weapons because, well, there is no such thing as a right. It's an invention pulled from the ether by people who don't have the empirical data to support their claims. Apparently, if you can't see, touch, hear, smell, or taste something, it doesn't exist, unless you can come up with a mathematical theory or model that allows for its possible existence. I've been trying to explain to him some things just can't be quantified, at least not to some empirical standard. Love, I maintain, is one of those things. The concept of love may at first look like nothing more than the useless musings of a stargazer or poet, but philosophers going back to the ancients saw its importance as central to human existence. Whole books have been written about it, and if anyone is serious about arguing in favor of the existence of this thing called a "right" they better consider it. Personally, I wouldn't shed too many tears if Israel turned Iran into a nuclear ash. It's probably a good thing I'm not the one with his finger on the button. ;)
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

If America and Israel do, then Iran does as well.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Simpleχity;1064624798 said:
Iran has the rights - and the obligations - of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) which Iran signed in 1968.

TREATY ON THE NON-PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS (NPT)

I could care less what they (or Israel did not) sign.

IMO, if America and Israel has the (moral) right to nukes...so does Iran.
 
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I could care less what they (or Israel did not) sign.
So ... international law and treaties have no value in your world?

IMO, if America and Israel has the (moral) right to nukes...so does Iran.
The NPT is not about moral rights and never was. It is an international legal agreement.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Ordinarily I would have said that any nation has the right to have any weapon out there to defend itself. Notice, I said defend itself. I voted no to Iran and any other maniacal and suicidal mideast or Asian country out there. America, Israel, England, France, Germany, and other European nations out there are not suicidal maniacs and would only use nuclear weapons as a last resort to defend their countries. I don't trust Russia at all, but we know they have nuclear weapons. They may not be suicidal too much, but they have aspirations along with the Chinese and Iranians to rule the world. They would stop at nothing to obtain that power.
 
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On the poll percentages above, I count only 32 yes votes that Iran should have nuclear weapons, yet, I count 67 no votes against Iran having these weapons, yet the poll results would have you believe that the majority of posters here on this thread think Iran should have nuclear weapons. Don't tell me this thread is trying to skew the results in favor of an unpopular opinion?

As of 8:35 AM EST, May 17, 2015, the poll says that 216 people have voted. I count 118. Where are the others, who have supposedly voted? If you are saying that non-members can also vote, I just refuted that by trying to vote while not logged in. I wasn't given any way to vote, without logging in.
 
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