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Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?


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Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I would never argue there are not points of coincidence down through the ages. Human nature is a constant even if "moral centers" are not. I hope you are having a good spring.:2wave:

"Human nature is a constant even if "moral centers" are not." I would only add "relative" before "constant" - otherwise, well said!

And yeah, I'm having a good spring - life is good indeed! And I hope you're having an even better one :thumbs:
 
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SA I expect yes...Egypt eh I don't think so....I don't care if Iran attacks Israel has nothing to do with the US or me.

That's a foolish view, but I won't try to explain. Fact is Israel would not go down alone. Much damage in many places.
 
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I don't really think that any country should have or produce nuclear weapons since they are a danger to all of humanity, but as it stands at this moment I think that Iran should be able to research and produce whatever they want just like we do since we have no authority over them.
 
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I don't really think that any country should have or produce nuclear weapons since they are a danger to all of humanity, but as it stands at this moment I think that Iran should be able to research and produce whatever they want just like we do since we have no authority over them.
Iran signed the UN NPT in 1968 which regulates nuclear research, development, and application.
 
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Simpleχity;1064565037 said:
Iran signed the UN NPT in 1968 which regulates nuclear research, development, and application.

I didn't know that, thanks. I just don't know if we truly have a moral high ground to enforce such a thing when even after we reduce our own nuclear stockpile we still have more nuclear weapons than pretty much all other countries. Keeping such a huge stockpile while telling others that they can't even have one just seems hypocritical to me. If all countries that currently have them dismantled then I think it would carry more weight but I recognize that there would always probably be that one country that saves a few.
 
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I didn't know that, thanks. I just don't know if we truly have a moral high ground to enforce such a thing when even after we reduce our own nuclear stockpile we still have more nuclear weapons than pretty much all other countries. Keeping such a huge stockpile while telling others that they can't even have one just seems hypocritical to me. If all countries that currently have them dismantled then I think it would carry more weight but I recognize that there would always probably be that one country that saves a few.
Moral high-ground is not a part of the equation. The world recognized the dangers of nuclear proliferation and responded in the late 60s with the NPT. It is what it is ... not perfect but much better than having nothing at all. 190 nations have signed the NPT. North Korea withdrew in 2003. India, Pakistan, Israel, and South Sudan never signed the NPT.
 
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Simpleχity;1064565037 said:
Iran signed the UN NPT in 1968 which regulates nuclear research, development, and application.

What happens, then, when the United States contravenes a binding international legal obligation in a manner so obvious and unarguable that it can offer no defense to the charge of breach?
It happens more often than one might think and to more important treaties than one would hope, including treaties for which the United States continues to depend upon fastidious performance by other countries. Here, I present three illustrative cases studies of blatant U.S. violations of binding international legal obligations: the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention, the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, and the obligation to pay annual dues under the Charter of the United Nations. I explain the causes of these breaches and examine their adverse consequences for the United States and for the international rule of law.

Read about it here.

http://www.fletcherforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Koplow_37-1.pdf

And of course this doesn't even speak to the scores of treaties violated against the native Americans displaced!
 
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Simpleχity;1064565172 said:
Moral high-ground is not a part of the equation. The world recognized the dangers of nuclear proliferation and responded in the late 60s with the NPT. It is what it is ... not perfect but much better than having nothing at all. 190 nations have signed the NPT. North Korea withdrew in 2003. India, Pakistan, Israel, and South Sudan never signed the NPT.

By the way I wasn't being sarcastic or rude when I said I didn't know, I honestly didn't know.
 
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I didn't know that, thanks. I just don't know if we truly have a moral high ground to enforce such a thing when even after we reduce our own nuclear stockpile we still have more nuclear weapons than pretty much all other countries. Keeping such a huge stockpile while telling others that they can't even have one just seems hypocritical to me. If all countries that currently have them dismantled then I think it would carry more weight but I recognize that there would always probably be that one country that saves a few.

Of course the US advances it's FP on the basis of self determination, democracy, rule of law, morals, ethics, and essentially the high ground to which you speak. Sometimes that represents reality, and sometimes that's a facade.
 
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I don't really think that any country should have or produce nuclear weapons since they are a danger to all of humanity, but as it stands at this moment I think that Iran should be able to research and produce whatever they want just like we do since we have no authority over them.

Oh yes we do. And the US spends eight times more cash on the military than its nearest competitor to maintain that uni-polar advantage. Iran is absolutely no military match for the US, and as such we exercise every authority over them that we wish to.
 
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Oh yes we do. And the US spends eight times more cash on the military than its nearest competitor to maintain that uni-polar advantage. Iran is absolutely no military match for the US, and as such we exercise every authority over them that we wish.

ok but who is the real threat then? If power corrupts then as we get more and more powerful will we be able to truly claim the moral high ground?
 
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ok but who is the real threat then? If power corrupts then as we get more and more powerful will we be able to truly claim the moral high ground?

No, with more and more power, you can truly claim that might is equal to right. Governments don't act morally. They advance their interests. Don't think for one minute that any USFP has morality at its foundation, nor any other country.
 
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That's a foolish view, but I won't try to explain. Fact is Israel would not go down alone. Much damage in many places.

Either way I don't care. Israel is a terrorist state and should be treated as such. They are a parasitic people leeching on the rest of the world.
 
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No, with more and more power, you can truly claim that might is equal to right. Governments don't act morally. They advance their interests. Don't think for one minute that any USFP has morality at its foundation, nor any other country.

Are you saying that it should stay that way? Sorry, i'm just trying to follow.
 
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Are you saying that it should stay that way? Sorry, i'm just trying to follow.

Well no, of course not. But men aren't angels, not even American men, so while we can hope that benevolence would frame our foreign policy, no, it won't. The best we can do though is to press our government at all means and hope to move things that direction if possible. Just like on a personal level, it's easy to be benevolent towards others when it may cost us nothing, quite different if it costs a little.
 
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Either way I don't care. Israel is a terrorist state and should be treated as such. They are a parasitic people leeching on the rest of the world.

While your Israeli point has some merit, why would you not care if they were to be nuked? We should never want anybody to be nuked, we saw the effects of nuclear weapons on the innocent some time ago, and it wasn't very pretty. The lot of Israeli citizens shouldn't suffer for the comparative few that direct the countries foreign policy.
 
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While your Israeli point has some merit, why would you not care if they were to be nuked? We should never want anybody to be nuked, we saw the effects of nuclear weapons on the innocent some time ago, and it wasn't very pretty. The lot of Israeli citizens shouldn't suffer for the comparative few that direct the countries foreign policy.

The entire Jewish race is a problem. That's why.A problem much like a rodent problem. Only way to cure the problem is to destroy the rodent.
 
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The entire Jewish race is a problem. That's why.A problem much like a rodent problem. Only way to cure the problem is to destroy the rodent.

You seem nice.
 
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The entire Jewish race is a problem. That's why.A problem much like a rodent problem. Only way to cure the problem is to destroy the rodent.

How long have you felt this way?
 
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How long have you felt this way?

I think his post would have come off much nicer and less vile in the original German.
 
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How long have you felt this way?

15 years at least....the more you learn about the Jewish problem and the problems their race has brought to the world the more you want the problem solved....
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

The entire Jewish race is a problem. That's why.A problem much like a rodent problem. Only way to cure the problem is to destroy the rodent.

First off, Jewish isn't a race. Second, are you advocating the extinction of an entire people of a certain faith?
 
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