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Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?


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Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

So if it is the will of the international community that the U.S. get rid of its nuclear weapons immediately then we should do it. That sounds like what you are saying.

If we have a global system that believably guarantees international security with the checks and balances required? Of course. Till then? No.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Yes, in the world view of right wing conservative minds where victim and prey are all that play, indeed.

LOL. It doesn't take a right wing mind to know there are people who need little motivation to destroy the innocent. What kind of mind do you think would allow them to do that?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

If we have a global system that believably guarantees international security with the checks and balances required? Of course. Till then? No.

So since there is no (to quote you) "global system that believably guarantees international security" we should not be demanding that Iran not develop a nuclear weapon.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

It's pretty much the sentiments of most of the industrialized world; with the exceptions of Russia, China and North Korea_

ie; Only those who view the United States as their adversary appear to believe that a nuclear capable Iran is not a threat_

(*god usually has a policy of nonintervention and to the best of my knowledge hasn't decreed anything pertaining to nukes)

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So colonialism and world domination, if done by a group (except for China, N Korea and Russia of course) is okay with you? Those with the nuclear weapons dictate who can (Israel, Pakistan etc) and who can't (Iran) develop a nuclear weapon. I wonder what next mandate will be coming from nuclear equipped group next?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

War compels cruel choices. The morally preferable path was chosen.

Your morally preferable path was chosen, if asked the Japanese might have chosen another path ...
 
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Best Reagan Quotes on Nuclear Weapons
“We seek the total elimination one day of nuclear weapons from the face of the Earth.”
Ronald Reagan, Inaugural Address, 1985
“A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. The only value in our two nations possessing nuclear weapons is to make sure they will never be used. But then would it not be better to do away with them entirely?”
Ronald Reagan, 1984 State of the Union
“It is my fervent goal and hope…that we will some day no longer have to rely on nuclear weapons to deter aggression and assure world peace. To that end the United States is now engaged in a serious and sustained effort to negotiate major reductions in levels of offensive nuclear weapons with the ultimate goal of eliminating these weapons from the face of the earth.”
Ronald Reagan, October 20, 1986
“I can’t believe that this world can go on beyond our generation and on down to succeeding generations with this kind of weapon on both sides poised at each other without someday some fool or some maniac or some accident triggering the kind of war that is the end of the line for all of us. And I just think of what a sigh of relief would go up from everyone on this earth if someday–and this is what I have–my hope, way in the back of my head–is that if we start down the road to reduction, maybe one day in doing that, somebody will say, ‘Why not all the way? Let’s get rid of all these things’.”
Ronald Reagan, May 16, 1983

“My central arms control objective has been to reduce substantially, and ultimately to eliminate, nuclear weapons and rid the world of the nuclear threat. The prevention of the spread of nuclear explosives to additional countries is an indispensable part of our efforts to meet this objective. I intend to continue my pursuit of this goal with untiring determination and a profound sense of personal commitment.”
Ronald Reagan, March 25, 1988 Message to Congress on NPT

I don't challenge that the goal was stated I challenge that the U.S> ever intended to or would give up their nuclear weapons (under Reagan, now or in the future)
 
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Your morally preferable path was chosen, if asked the Japanese might have chosen another path ...

The Japanese leadership chose war in 1941, and in 1945 they preferred the path that could have led to 20 million Japanese dead. It took the bombs to move them off that position and save their countrymen's lives.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I don't challenge that the goal was stated I challenge that the U.S> ever intended to or would give up their nuclear weapons (under Reagan, now or in the future)

I think we'd give them up in a heartbeat if it could be verified that others would as well. A world without nuclear weapons would enhance, not reduce, US military superiority.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I think we'd give them up in a heartbeat if it could be verified that others would as well. A world without nuclear weapons would enhance, not reduce, US military superiority.

Never gonna happen. The U.S. likes having the big stick and being able to tell everyone else what to do, besides if we gave ours up and others managed to hide one or two then suddenly we would go from the bully to the bullied and the professional political class of the country would not like that.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Never gonna happen. The U.S. likes having the big stick and being able to tell everyone else what to do, besides if we gave ours up and others managed to hide one or two then suddenly we would go from the bully to the bullied and the professional political class of the country would not like that.

That's why the caveat was verified denuclearization by all others. In a non-nuclear world the US would have more coercive power, not less.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

That's why the caveat was verified denuclearization by all others. In a non-nuclear world the US would have more coercive power, not less.

What if "all others" wanted the U.S> to denuclearize first?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Which still won't stop the UN from running their lives. If Iran walked away from the UN, they'd still be up for a stiff fight over getting nukes.

Of course, but they would have a better argument then. They could complain about the US violating the UN rules by harrassing it.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

working on the poll

In this negative sense, yes.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

So since there is no (to quote you) "global system that believably guarantees international security" we should not be demanding that Iran not develop a nuclear weapon.

May be, I misunderstood you. Because there is no such system we should keep our bombs and do whatever it takes to stop Iran.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

LOL. It doesn't take a right wing mind to know there are people who need little motivation to destroy the innocent. What kind of mind do you think would allow them to do that?

I don't know, that seems to happen by folks of various political persuasion.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I don't challenge that the goal was stated I challenge that the U.S> ever intended to or would give up their nuclear weapons (under Reagan, now or in the future)

Exactly!!
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I think we'd give them up in a heartbeat if it could be verified that others would as well. A world without nuclear weapons would enhance, not reduce, US military superiority.

Apparently that notion escaped American leadership. And that could lead to a nuclear armed Iran. Though US and Israeli intelligence hasn't even confirmed an Iranian desire for them, as yet!
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Apparently that notion escaped American leadership. And that could lead to a nuclear armed Iran. Though US and Israeli intelligence hasn't even confirmed an Iranian desire for them, as yet!

It did not escape the greatest POTUS of my lifetime.

Best Reagan Quotes on Nuclear Weapons
“We seek the total elimination one day of nuclear weapons from the face of the Earth.”
Ronald Reagan, Inaugural Address, 1985
“A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. The only value in our two nations possessing nuclear weapons is to make sure they will never be used. But then would it not be better to do away with them entirely?”
Ronald Reagan, 1984 State of the Union
“It is my fervent goal and hope…that we will some day no longer have to rely on nuclear weapons to deter aggression and assure world peace. To that end the United States is now engaged in a serious and sustained effort to negotiate major reductions in levels of offensive nuclear weapons with the ultimate goal of eliminating these weapons from the face of the earth.”
Ronald Reagan, October 20, 1986
“I can’t believe that this world can go on beyond our generation and on down to succeeding generations with this kind of weapon on both sides poised at each other without someday some fool or some maniac or some accident triggering the kind of war that is the end of the line for all of us. And I just think of what a sigh of relief would go up from everyone on this earth if someday–and this is what I have–my hope, way in the back of my head–is that if we start down the road to reduction, maybe one day in doing that, somebody will say, ‘Why not all the way? Let’s get rid of all these things’.”
Ronald Reagan, May 16, 1983

“My central arms control objective has been to reduce substantially, and ultimately to eliminate, nuclear weapons and rid the world of the nuclear threat. The prevention of the spread of nuclear explosives to additional countries is an indispensable part of our efforts to meet this objective. I intend to continue my pursuit of this goal with untiring determination and a profound sense of personal commitment.”
Ronald Reagan, March 25, 1988 Message to Congress on NPT
 
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