Cephus
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Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?
Because Iran doesn't have a secular society like the U.S. does. It's the society that allows religious extremism to run rampant. Secular society reigns in the Christian insanity here for the most part. There aren't many, perhaps any, non-secular societies where Christianity is on top, although if you go back into history, before secular societies were common, Christians did exactly what you describe. Oh, and let's not forget Uganda, where the Christians in charge tried to impose a death penalty for homosexuality.
We have a Constitutionally-mandated secular government and a society where the vast majority of people live almost entirely secular lives. In Iran, people follow religious dictates 24/7, here, most people might spend an hour a week in church and then not do anything religious for the rest of the week.
The gender gap is what will eventually kill religion in America, the most religious are aging, the majority of people who are regular church goers are over 70 and will soon die off. More than half of people under the age of 18 are either non-religious or barely religious. Almost every organized religion in America is hemorrhaging members like mad. It won't be long now.
How is it failing to appreciate the progress that has been made? We have a secular society. That is progress. However, it hasn't been progress from within Christianity, it's been something that has been imposed on them from without. They didn't choose to moderate themselves, they were forced into submission. Islam hasn't had that happen yet. It's still acting exactly the same way that Christianity acted in the 1600s and will continue to do so until secularism puts it under control.
So iran, where 80% or more of the population wants shar'ia law, where gays are thrown off buildings while crowds watch, is the same as the modern christian world. Is that why all 7 countries that officially execute for homosexuality are muslim, not christian?
Because Iran doesn't have a secular society like the U.S. does. It's the society that allows religious extremism to run rampant. Secular society reigns in the Christian insanity here for the most part. There aren't many, perhaps any, non-secular societies where Christianity is on top, although if you go back into history, before secular societies were common, Christians did exactly what you describe. Oh, and let's not forget Uganda, where the Christians in charge tried to impose a death penalty for homosexuality.
About 2/3 of the US is Christian, so it's not the 1/3 who are secular who prevent atrocities. Roughly 70% of the country thinks gay relationships should be legal. That's not nearly high enough, but executions? Probably more like 10-15%, the same fringe of radicals who think AIDS is divine justice. Unlike in iran though, i'm confident their numbers will continue to dwindle
We have a Constitutionally-mandated secular government and a society where the vast majority of people live almost entirely secular lives. In Iran, people follow religious dictates 24/7, here, most people might spend an hour a week in church and then not do anything religious for the rest of the week.
From the federal "general social survey," you can see that the generational gap is as big a predictor of support for gay rights as religious affiliation. Yes, half of americans want a state religion, but what that entails is far diff from shar'ia law
The gender gap is what will eventually kill religion in America, the most religious are aging, the majority of people who are regular church goers are over 70 and will soon die off. More than half of people under the age of 18 are either non-religious or barely religious. Almost every organized religion in America is hemorrhaging members like mad. It won't be long now.
Comparing ISIS to 1600s Christianity or 2015 uganda is one thing, but what you're doing just makes atheists look delusional. You fail to appreciate or even acknowledge the progress that has been made.
How is it failing to appreciate the progress that has been made? We have a secular society. That is progress. However, it hasn't been progress from within Christianity, it's been something that has been imposed on them from without. They didn't choose to moderate themselves, they were forced into submission. Islam hasn't had that happen yet. It's still acting exactly the same way that Christianity acted in the 1600s and will continue to do so until secularism puts it under control.