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Assad or ISIS ?

Assad or Isis ?


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Medusa

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a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
 
neither. the regional powers need to solve this problem.
 
neither. the regional powers need to solve this problem.
When compared to islamists of course anyone should prefer the Assad regime.
 
When compared to islamists of course anyone should prefer the Assad regime.

Maybe, and maybe not.
You can't tell what would be the result of the overthrow of the Assad regime.
What we do know is that both are evil and both are bad and both must be gone.
 
Maybe, and maybe not.
You can't tell what would be the result of the overthrow of the Assad regime.
What we do know is that both are evil and both are bad and both must be gone.

because he doesnt support israel politics.well so any leader that doesnt obey our rules should be overthrown especially by foreign powers.do you know its not democracy ? you know how many children are being killed in syria because teh West wants to form the ME according to the great middle east Project
 
because he doesnt support israel politics.well so any leader that doesnt obey our rules should be overthrown especially by foreign powers.do you know its not democracy ? you know how many children are being killed in syria because teh West wants to form the ME according to the great middle east Project

No it's not just his foreign policies, it's how he treats his own people.
Assad is bad to Syrians. You didn't need to wait till the Syrian Civil War to know that he is a brutal murderous dictator just like his father was.
 
Assad seems the lesser of two evils but it isn't our problem to solve. We should stay out of it and tend to our own house.
 
a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria

Obviously the answer is that as mass murderers both must go.
 
No it's not just his foreign policies, it's how he treats his own people.
Assad is bad to Syrians. You didn't need to wait till the Syrian Civil War to know that he is a brutal murderous dictator just like his father was.

I know both his daddy and himself.I dont like them but I dont want any other islamist country near the border either and I wonder since when the right wing West cares about humanity.they waited too long to help bosnians .whenever something conflicts with their benefits they play ' humanist' .
 
Assad seems the lesser of two evils but it isn't our problem to solve. We should stay out of it and tend to our own house.

Of course, we should not be leading and deploying. But we should be organizing and assisting. We should have the UN involved and preparing for massive police action there.
 
I know both his daddy and himself.I dont like them but I dont want any other islamist country near the border either and I wonder since when the right wing West cares about humanity.they waited too long to help bosnians .whenever something conflicts with their benefits they play ' humanist' .

The subject of the Syrian civil war is not for the West to decide regardless.
It can send aid to one side or the other but it doesn't involve itself directly with it.
 
neither. the regional powers need to solve this problem.

We should be working day and night on getting the regional powers including Europe to pressure the UN to level a robust a police action against both the dictator and the Caliphate. We are talking mass murder and atrocities against the populations. The UN installed R2P and should be held to it.
 
Or Twitter ;)

I just think what's happening over there is a mystery to most of us.

Is Turkey going to capitulate?


.turkey will capitulate to whom ? Turkey has been playing the other great role in this war game but I dont know for now what it will lead to in long term but I can say turkey is being pushed into a trouble with islamists no matter what kind of alliance we are in with them or US
 
.turkey will capitulate to whom ? Turkey has been playing the other great role in this war game but I dont know for now what it will lead to in long term but I can say turkey is being pushed into a trouble with islamists no matter what kind of alliance we are in with them or US

To ISIS. I hear that ISIS want to occupy Turkey next.

And yes, as with you initial question, it's a conundrum regarding who to support.
 
Or Twitter ;)

I just think what's happening over there is a mystery to most of us.

Is Turkey going to capitulate?

Anyone going to meet up with ISIS is already using Turkey as their roadway.

Turkey is the path of least resistance.
 
Bashar al-Assad was (is) only an issue for the US because of whom he primarily aligns himself with. Russia. There is a history there between Syria and Russia going back long enough involving everything from weapons to energy, so far back that we have several instances of Russia using their UN Security Council position to obstruct resolutions concerning Syria (namely the force the Syrian government uses against opposition, that goes back to before the civil war and is a reason of many for it starting in the first place.) France, the UK, Germany, US, Italy and others have all wanted stronger actions against the Syrian government for years now, and it speaks volumes as to why the US took such an awkward role today. Think how the US protects Israel, similar story with how Russia protects Syria.

It points to right back to our long term hypocritical and confusing foreign policy.

As an example we overlook the power the Saudi Arabian government use against their opposition over the years but look at Syria as a problem for taking similar action. Exclusively because with Syria there is little in it for the US, or most European countries, for looking the other way. If Syria was to the US what they are to Russia, I guarantee we would be arming the Syrian government to the teeth against their various opposition in this multiple way long term civil war.

The truth is al-Assad in power in Syria is far better than ISIS being in control in any sense, but the question is inherently flawed. The US is responsible for ISIS but not because of Syria, but because of how we left Iraq behind. A weakened government and an even weaker military power allowed ISIS to capitalize, a military in Iraq especially that dropped their US issued weapons and ran like hell back to Baghdad at the first sight of ISIS leaving the Kurds to defend themselves (as usual.)

ISIS is a development of pure opportunity and it took both al-Assad unable to control his own population resulting in faction civil war *and* the US for allowing Iraq to become an even bigger political fiasco by removing Saddam Hussein and installing pure weakness. The US has plenty of culpability, but we are not the only ones responsible for ISIS being able to capitalize.
 
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