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Assad or ISIS ?

Assad or Isis ?

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Apocalypse said:
Maybe, and maybe not.
You can't tell what would be the result of the overthrow of the Assad regime.
What we do know is that both are evil and both are bad and both must be gone.
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Well, we know the Christians were supporting Assad. Even from the beginning when the MB started up and backed the protests to remove Assad. Yet it was the Sunni who attacked the Christians in Syria for payback.

Again the MB returned and like they tried to do with Assad's father they now returned to get rid of his son. Chase out the Shia from Power.

The Saud was backing the play and there is no way they didn't know about the MB. As was Qatar. They were the ones putting pressure on us.....to hand them the country. Giving the Sunni control. As usual they used the line they are the majority being ruled by the minority elite Shia.

That Assad was persecuting them. Even though he had Sunni in his Cabinet.
 
Between Assad and ISIS? Assad. Between Assad, ISIS, and some "other", I would say that other being a transitional government between Assad and the National Coordination Committee/National Coordination Body leading to free and open elections in Syrian Arab Army liberated areas.
 
Apocalypse said:
Maybe, and maybe not.
You can't tell what would be the result of the overthrow of the Assad regime.
What we do know is that both are evil and both are bad and both must be gone.
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Wrong! When the US decides that some "evil" (whatever that truly is) must be gone, the replacement tends to be worse. Besides looking about the planet deciding what government must be gone isn't your role in life, nor is it that of the US governments, despite it's behavior.
 
Medusa said:
a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
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Are you asking which is best for Syria and the region, Assad in control or the Islamic State in control?
 
If there were a way to let them kill each other in perpetuity I'd be for that.... we just can't let another ME country get nukes.
 
Ockham said:
If there were a way to let them kill each other in perpetuity I'd be for that.... we just can't let another ME country get nukes.
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One reason to be favorable toward partition. None of the smaller states will have the revenue base to support nuclear weapons.
 
The greatest threat to world security is the United States. People are scared about ISIS because they behead people on live TV but the United States does the same thing, only you won't see the dismembered bodies of children on national TV.
 
Medusa said:
a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
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The USA, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia are funding, arming and training ISIS. The Big Money is on the ISIS destabilizing the MidEast and creating more favorable OIL contracts for the Western Banking Cartels. I'm on the side of the good guy and his name is Assad. They are attempting to do in Syria what the USA did in Libya. There's nothing quite like a little chaos, death, mayhem, destruction, and poverty inducing terrorists to get control of a Nation. Right out of the CIA color revolution planbook. Keep moving the deck so noone can figure out who's dealing and go with plausible deniability. Lying ****bags, actually. We helped them Libyans achieve poverty and repression and we can do it in Syria and Ukraine. Blowhard chickenhawks from Inside the DC beltway.
 
DaveFagan said:
The USA, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia are funding, arming and training ISIS. The Big Money is on the ISIS destabilizing the MidEast and creating more favorable OIL contracts for the Western Banking Cartels. I'm on the side of the good guy and his name is Assad. They are attempting to do in Syria what the USA did in Libya. There's nothing quite like a little chaos, death, mayhem, destruction, and poverty inducing terrorists to get control of a Nation. Right out of the CIA color revolution planbook. Keep moving the deck so noone can figure out who's dealing and go with plausible deniability. Lying ****bags, actually. We helped them Libyans achieve poverty and repression and we can do it in Syria and Ukraine. Blowhard chickenhawks from Inside the DC beltway.
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I wouldn't call Assad a good guy. He seems to have no problem bombing hospitals filled with children, kidnapping and murdering journalists, and destroying national treasures.
 
FinnMacCool said:
I wouldn't call Assad a good guy. He seems to have no problem bombing hospitals filled with children, kidnapping and murdering journalists, and destroying national treasures.
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Well true enough. But Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were all better then the Islamic State wrecking havoc presently.
 
Medusa said:
a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
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the thing I love about Medusa is that every frickin' bad thing that happens in the world is the fault of the United States. Of course when you live in a perfect country like Turkey, I can see how it's e3asy to be critical of the US.:lamo

In fact, the reason ISIS prospers is because of inaction from Turkey, which has opened it's borders so the scum of the world can join these beheaders.
 
DaveFagan said:
The USA, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia are funding, arming and training ISIS. The Big Money is on the ISIS destabilizing the MidEast and creating more favorable OIL contracts for the Western Banking Cartels. I'm on the side of the good guy and his name is Assad. They are attempting to do in Syria what the USA did in Libya. There's nothing quite like a little chaos, death, mayhem, destruction, and poverty inducing terrorists to get control of a Nation. Right out of the CIA color revolution planbook. Keep moving the deck so noone can figure out who's dealing and go with plausible deniability. Lying ****bags, actually. We helped them Libyans achieve poverty and repression and we can do it in Syria and Ukraine. Blowhard chickenhawks from Inside the DC beltway.
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this is joke post, right?:lamo
 
FinnMacCool said:
Maybe, but I don't think the ISIS is gonna be a long term threat because they're making way too many enemies.
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Yes, but they have friends in high places that see a benefit to their existence!!
 
Wiggen said:
the thing I love about Medusa is that every frickin' bad thing that happens in the world is the fault of the United States. Of course when you live in a perfect country like Turkey, I can see how it's e3asy to be critical of the US.:lamo

In fact, the reason ISIS prospers is because of inaction from Turkey, which has opened it's borders so the scum of the world can join these beheaders.
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OOK OK :2razz:
 
Assad is only marginally better than ISIS. The dictator's false claims of secularism aside, the only thing that really separates the regime from ISIS, and thus causes many in the West to support the former, is that Assad speaks English, is well-groomed and wears a suit, while ISIS is a bunch of screaming bearded fanatics. From any moral standpoint, however, they aren't much different. Under ISIS, the will of the state is enforced by the roaming Hizbuh religious police, and those who violate ISIS' version of Islam or dissent are punished via death and torture. Under Assad, the will of the state is enforced by Shabiha thugs and the mukhabarat, and those who dissent against the regime are punished via death and torture - it's been documented by the UN, human rights groups, and defectors (via photographs) that the regime has tortured perhaps thousands to death. Both groups use indiscriminate warfare against their enemies, and it's a safe bet that Assad has killed more civilians than ISIS has. Both groups have committed sectarian violence, with the Shabiha and NDF targeting Sunnis and ISIS targeting non-Sunnis.

Assad also happened to support al-Qaeda in Iraq when we were there, and only now is his cavalier attitude towards the jihadist movement coming to bite him in the ass. His brutal occupation of Lebanon happened to go unnoticed by almost everyone who took the time to cry foul when Israel unintentionally killed civilians in its war against Hezbollah.

Finally, "Assad vs. ISIS" is the definition of a false dilemma. Why should we have to choose between a fascist dictatorship and a Wahhabi caliphate when there are plenty of other options available? While it's improbable that any Syrian rebel faction is secular by Western standards, not every Islamist in Syria is of the same caliber as ISIS or even al-Nusra. The YPG Kurds are both secular and democratic (Assad is neither).
 
MadLib said:
Assad is only marginally better than ISIS. The dictator's false claims of secularism aside, the only thing that really separates the regime from ISIS, and thus causes many in the West to support the former, is that Assad speaks English, is well-groomed and wears a suit, while ISIS is a bunch of screaming bearded fanatics. From any moral standpoint, however, they aren't much different. Under ISIS, the will of the state is enforced by the roaming Hizbuh religious police, and those who violate ISIS' version of Islam or dissent are punished via death and torture. Under Assad, the will of the state is enforced by Shabiha thugs and the mukhabarat, and those who dissent against the regime are punished via death and torture - it's been documented by the UN, human rights groups, and defectors (via photographs) that the regime has tortured perhaps thousands to death. Both groups use indiscriminate warfare against their enemies, and it's a safe bet that Assad has killed more civilians than ISIS has. Both groups have committed sectarian violence, with the Shabiha and NDF targeting Sunnis and ISIS targeting non-Sunnis.

Assad also happened to support al-Qaeda in Iraq when we were there, and only now is his cavalier attitude towards the jihadist movement coming to bite him in the ass. His brutal occupation of Lebanon happened to go unnoticed by almost everyone who took the time to cry foul when Israel unintentionally killed civilians in its war against Hezbollah.

Finally, "Assad vs. ISIS" is the definition of a false dilemma. Why should we have to choose between a fascist dictatorship and a Wahhabi caliphate when there are plenty of other options available? While it's improbable that any Syrian rebel faction is secular by Western standards, not every Islamist in Syria is of the same caliber as ISIS or even al-Nusra. The YPG Kurds are both secular and democratic (Assad is neither).
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When Israel unintentionally killed civilians, lol!!
 
Helix said:
yes. we should be prodding Saudi Arabia to police its own neighborhood.
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I agree with every post you've made in this thread so far. :thumbs:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Between Assad and ISIS? Assad. Between Assad, ISIS, and some "other", I would say that other being a transitional government between Assad and the National Coordination Committee/National Coordination Body leading to free and open elections in Syrian Arab Army liberated areas.
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Yeah, that's not happening. Assad fought this war to maintain power. Do you really think he'd just submit to elections that he could lose after the conflict is over? He'd just end up being more of an Iranian stooge than he was previously.

"Liberated" is the exact wrong word to use. I, for example, wouldn't consider Poland to have been liberated from Nazi control by Stalin.
 
Montecresto said:
When Israel unintentionally killed civilians, lol!!
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Do you have anything to say about Assad's murder of Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in Lebanon? How about his backing of sectarian and neo-Nazi political parties in said country? He and Hezbollah have both wreaked havoc upon Lebanon that the most ardent Arab-hating Israeli nationalist could only dream of.
 
Medusa said:
a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
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Lol...whatever.
 
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