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Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?


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This is absolutely the right decision, and it's been a long time coming. I have been a big advocate of removing all animals from circuses but most especially the elephants.

If anyone is ever interested in a good cause for donations, there are 2 extremely good and reputable elephant sanctuaries in this country that takes the former performing elephants and gives them care, dignity, and quality of life.

Now we need RB to do away with all of their animal acts, and we also need the Shriner Circus and others to follow suit.

By the way, I'm convinced that this is a result of the recent ruling in CA that prevents the use of bullhooks. And I applaud PETA for being one of many organizations to work tirelessly to make this happen.
 
I don't know. I voted other. Where treatment of an elephant is less than ideal no matter how well they are treated, they don't get to roam around and be elephants. Seeing them in the zoo shows us that they are real and some of us can even see that they are intelligent. Without that personal connection how do we know they aren't just cows?

Seeing them betting in their presents helps us understand what they are and gives us gumption to give a Damn about poachers and such.
 
It really doesn't matter to me, I haven't been to a circus in probably 35 years.

Not have I. But honestly I probably wouldn't boycott them because they had elephants, and I wouldn't boycott then for not having elephants.

Outside of that, I blame liberals because they ruin everything.
 
It's their business, not mine.

I assume we would hear more about it if they were treated badly.

But I am against caging animals anyway, whether for horse racing, circus's or even zoo's. I don't lose sleep over it, I just don't think it's cool.

They are treated badly. Very badly. Unfortunately the inhumane treatment of elephants in circuses doesn't make front page news, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

Nobody cages race horses. ;)
 
With all the video and film of animals that anyone can access, it's time to stop confining wild animals and making them perform.
 
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WHAT he said but PETA is scum and I cannot stand them in any way shape or form. A moronic PETA scumbag was braying about the Elephants in Cincinnati. What a frigging loser

Anymore if you offend someone else's "sensitivities" their "feelings", then it must be banned. There has been an effort for years against zoos and circuses and even the use of an animal as a beast of burden with certain special interest groups. If PETA would have been around 140 years ago they would be protesting stagecoaches pulled by teams of horses and horses used to plow the fields. There is a history of abuse with animal trainers but there is also a lot of documentation that shows that elephants and other animals trained to perform build deep bonds between the animal and the trainer and live very well. There are good zoos and bad ones. You can find good and evil in everything. They say that someone went undercover and video taped the elephants being abused. I haven't viewed the video. But when abuse is found, it needs to be called out.
 
Anymore if you offend someone else's "sensitivities" their "feelings", then it must be banned. There has been an effort for years against zoos and circuses and even the use of an animal as a beast of burden with certain special interest groups. If PETA would have been around 140 years ago they would be protesting stagecoaches pulled by teams of horses and horses used to plow the fields. There is a history of abuse with animal trainers but there is also a lot of documentation that shows that elephants and other animals trained to perform build deep bonds between the animal and the trainer and live very well. There are good zoos and bad ones. You can find good and evil in everything. They say that someone went undercover and video taped the elephants being abused. I haven't viewed the video. But when abuse is found, it needs to be called out.

You are correct. PETA did infiltrate circuses more than once, and brought back obvious evidence of atrocities. PETA isn't my favorite organization and I have a lot of issues with some of their tactics as well as some of their conclusions. In this example they were spot on, and that's been known for years. There are many groups and individuals who work hard to help these elephants, including Bob Barker (who has personally funded the rescue and rehoming of some elephants), Cleveland Amory's charity "The Fund For Animals", and some others. I've worked an elephant rescue and I'm here to tell you, I can cry at the drop of a hat thinking about what I saw, and what people do to these creatures. There is absolutely no upside to using elephants for human entertainment whatsoever.

Interestingly enough, the movie "Born Free", while not about elephants, raised a lot of new awareness about the plight of elephants and other animals from Africa and Asia.
 
You are correct. PETA did infiltrate circuses more than once, and brought back obvious evidence of atrocities. PETA isn't my favorite organization and I have a lot of issues with some of their tactics as well as some of their conclusions. In this example they were spot on, and that's been known for years. There are many groups and individuals who work hard to help these elephants, including Bob Barker (who has personally funded the rescue and rehoming of some elephants), Cleveland Amory's charity "The Fund For Animals", and some others. I've worked an elephant rescue and I'm here to tell you, I can cry at the drop of a hat thinking about what I saw, and what people do to these creatures. There is absolutely no upside to using elephants for human entertainment whatsoever.

Interestingly enough, the movie "Born Free", while not about elephants, raised a lot of new awareness about the plight of elephants and other animals from Africa and Asia.

PETA euthanizes thousands of dogs annually, same with the Humane Society, screw both organizations.

Having said that, the circus has become an anachronism, it's been replaced by Circ Du Sole which puts on quality human entertainment and major concert tours in which performers like Pink fly by wire all over arenas and Tommy Lee plays drums on a roller coaster. Disband the circus altogether, and quit using wild animals as props. It's not entertaining.
 
Yes, that's great!
No
No, and I blame liberals
Other



Anyone who has even seen a video of Cirque du Soleil knows that animal acts are not only cruel, but lame and boring.

How many times and different ways can you make a heavily medicated animal stand on its hind legs, as it it ever wanted to do that in nature. When you see what people, with original music can do through acrobatics, dance and comedy, you won't really want to see another elephant act. That stuff was boring when I was a kid 50+ years ago.
 
PETA euthanizes thousands of dogs annually, same with the Humane Society, screw both organizations.

Having said that, the circus has become an anachronism, it's been replaced by Circ Du Sole which puts on quality human entertainment and major concert tours in which performers like Pink fly by wire all over arenas and Tommy Lee plays drums on a roller coaster. Disband the circus altogether, and quit using wild animals as props. It's not entertaining.

I know exactly what PETA does to the companion animals they take in to their care. I've posted about it many times before. HSUS is nowhere near the scale of PETA, but I don't support or work for any animal rescue that is part of the big bureaucracy groups, like HSUS, PETA and the ASPCA. That['s why I encourage people to donate to their local rescues and breed rescues as well as their local shelters.
 
WHAT he said but PETA is scum and I cannot stand them in any way shape or form. A moronic PETA scumbag was braying about the Elephants in Cincinnati. What a frigging loser



PETA kills more animals than anyone.
 
You are correct. PETA did infiltrate circuses more than once, and brought back obvious evidence of atrocities. PETA isn't my favorite organization and I have a lot of issues with some of their tactics as well as some of their conclusions. In this example they were spot on, and that's been known for years. There are many groups and individuals who work hard to help these elephants, including Bob Barker (who has personally funded the rescue and rehoming of some elephants), Cleveland Amory's charity "The Fund For Animals", and some others. I've worked an elephant rescue and I'm here to tell you, I can cry at the drop of a hat thinking about what I saw, and what people do to these creatures. There is absolutely no upside to using elephants for human entertainment whatsoever.

Interestingly enough, the movie "Born Free", while not about elephants, raised a lot of new awareness about the plight of elephants and other animals from Africa and Asia.

Hi Tres, as I stated there are good trainers and bad ones. I don't believe all elephants are mistreated by their trainers . Here's one who died recently who spent his life training animals and started at the age of 6 helping his father train elephants. The man was known for his love of animals especially elephants, horses, zebras and dogs.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20150305/WIRE/150309833?p=2&tc=pg
Ringling Bros. circus to eliminate elephant acts | HeraldTribune.com

I do know that some special interest groups have managed to have circuses banned from their cities over the elephant abuses recorded and some just find the practice of training animals to perform appalling and offends their sensitivities. That's unfortunate for all good and humane animal trainers.
 
Animals like these should not be confined for human amusement but rather place in as natural habitat as possible.
 
Hi Tres, as I stated there are good trainers and bad ones. I don't believe all elephants are mistreated by their trainers . Here's one who died recently who spent his life training animals and started at the age of 6 helping his father train elephants. The man was known for his love of animals especially elephants, horses, zebras and dogs.
Ringling Bros. circus to eliminate elephant acts | HeraldTribune.com
Ringling Bros. circus to eliminate elephant acts | HeraldTribune.com

I do know that some special interest groups have managed to have circuses banned from their cities over the elephant abuses recorded and some just find the practice of training animals to perform appalling and offends their sensitivities. That's unfortunate for all good and humane animal trainers.

Elephants weren't made for circuses. They should not be performing in circuses. There is not one positive thing that comes from it. A lot of people spend their lives training elephants. They profess to do it with love. There is no love in making them perform. It is in direct opposition with their world and their societal requirements, not to mention physically taxing.
 
PETA kills more animals than anyone.

Not even close. Best guess is they put about 2600 animals to sleep each year. It's far too many, but it's nowhere close to the 3-4 million who die in shelters each year, or the hundreds of thousands who die outside of shelters, intentionally or because of neglect.
 
Not even close. Best guess is they put about 2600 animals to sleep each year. It's far too many, but it's nowhere close to the 3-4 million who die in shelters each year, or the hundreds of thousands who die outside of shelters, intentionally or because of neglect.


a little hyperbole, but they have a dismal not kill record, 90+ percent they take in are killed.
 
Animals like these should not be confined for human amusement but rather place in as natural habitat as possible.


Eventually circuses and zoos will be the last 'safe' place for many of the worlds great creatures.
 
It really doesn't matter to me, I haven't been to a circus in probably 35 years.

There's my answer. The time when the circus was even mildly interesting passed before I was born. It's just a place to fleece the town's folk.
 
Seriously, does anyone actually GO to see an animal circus?

And what century are they living in? Anyone with an ISP can find much more amusement anywhere else..

Now, do we want to talk about rodeos? and tying a bulls nuts so hard he's enraged. Now that's entertainment! Let's bring back dog fights too.
 
Elephants weren't made for circuses. They should not be performing in circuses. There is not one positive thing that comes from it. A lot of people spend their lives training elephants. They profess to do it with love. There is no love in making them perform. It is in direct opposition with their world and their societal requirements, not to mention physically taxing.

I guess one could say the same thing about horses and racing.

The Ugly Truth About Horse Racing
 
Seriously, does anyone actually GO to see an animal circus?

And what century are they living in? Anyone with an ISP can find much more amusement anywhere else..

Now, do we want to talk about rodeos? and tying a bulls nuts so hard he's enraged. Now that's entertainment! Let's bring back dog fights too.

Rodeos are horrible. They're another classic example of people making animals do things they wouldn't normally do, all in the name of "entertainment". It isn't like teaching Spot to roll over for a cookie, either.
 
Not even close. Best guess is they put about 2600 animals to sleep each year. It's far too many, but it's nowhere close to the 3-4 million who die in shelters each year, or the hundreds of thousands who die outside of shelters, intentionally or because of neglect.

Every minute in the USA another dog or cat is killed because it is unwanted. That is why everyone should get a mutt from a shelter rather than buying a purebred from a breeder.
 
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