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Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

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FreedomFromAll said:
If one isnt mature, emotions will get the best them.

So logically you and I live in a Capitalistic society, right? Then why are we not greedy bastards looking for profit and nothing else even if we exploit others? Are we special, more special than anyone else? Wouldnt our existence present a flaw in the assertion that Capitalism causes greed?
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Personally, I think that if anything is a cause, it's greed, not capitalism.

I think greed brings out the worst in capitalism.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Greed brings out the worse in everyone no matter the economic system.
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True...I suppose that, really, greed, hatred, and other such bring out the worst in people in general, whatever the governmental system in use.

And it's unlikely anyone will try to form a governmental system that is better at preventing such, or modify an existing one for the same purpose....


Because the people in charge have much of those issues themselves
 
eohrnberger said:
Capitalism might give a means to express some people's hatred or empathy, but I don't think that capitalism inherently promotes hatred or empathy, anything else with an emotional basis.
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It does not inherently promote hatred or empathy. What it does, by its intrinsic nature, is to create an environment that is favorable to the development of hatred, more so than systems that are based on the ideas that resources should be shared. This is because capitalism places an emphasis on increased production for increased personal profit in terms of capital. As such it intrinsically requires increased consumption to drive such increases in production. As a result of this people must be conditioned to constantly increase their consumption of goods. This results in increased competition for scarce resources, which results in an increase in greed. This increase in greed in turn produces an increase in hatred, more so than a system that is centered on the notion that resources should be shared.
 
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Ryan5 said:
Emphatically no. Talk to someone from Eastern Europe sometime who lived under Communism and ask them who they hated, the Capitalists in the West or the Communists. They'll just about lecture you about the ills of communism until you're deaf. Communists are generally hated far more by the people they represent than capitalists.

The average peasant is far better off thanks to capitalism and they know it.
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I am not saying that communism is without faults. Neither have I said that the people of Eastern Europe prefer communism to capitalism. What I am saying is that capitalism creates an environment such that the quality of hatred will develop, more so than a system that is based on the notion that resources should be shared. What you have put forward does nothing to dispute that assertion.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
If one isnt mature, emotions will get the best them.

So logically you and I live in a Capitalistic society, right? Then why are we not greedy bastards looking for profit and nothing else even if we exploit others? Are we special, more special than anyone else? Wouldnt our existence present a flaw in the assertion that Capitalism causes greed?
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Although you are correct in that if a person is not mature, their emotions will get the best of them, it does not mean that even those who are mature enough to control them are free from the effects of greed. And to see this one need only to note that there is an increase in the sentiment that the government should not use tax money to do things like provide increased educational opportunities and health care to the less fortunate, more so than say perhaps 50 years ago.
 
The Mark said:
Personally, I think that if anything is a cause, it's greed, not capitalism.

I think greed brings out the worst in capitalism.
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Capitalism is the product of greed. And it is for this reason that it creates an environment that is conducive to the development of greed.
 
Unregulated, predatory capitalism, no doubt. The protections and regulations installed during the FDR administration gave rise to a four decade growth of a strong middle class. But deregulation and 30+ years of Reaganomics have eroded those gains.
 
MildSteel said:
Capitalism is the product of greed. And it is for this reason that it creates an environment that is conducive to the development of greed.
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Capitalism is the product of freedom where a person is free to produce whatever product they want. Capitalism also helps promote failure where people are free to produce a product that no one wants. Everything else is just conjecture on your part. You still haven't, that I've seen, propose a solution to a problem you are asserting exists.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Capitalism is the product of freedom where a person is free to produce whatever product they want.
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It is the product of the desire to be free to pursue profit which is a product of greed.

AliHajiSheik said:
Capitalism also helps promote failure where people are free to produce a product that no one wants. Everything else is just conjecture on your part.
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The assertion that I have put forward is based on rational reasoning and is backed by observation. As I said earlier, one only need to look to the rise in the sentiment that the government should not use tax money to provide increased educational opportunities and health care for those who are less fortunate for evidence that this is taking place.

AliHajiSheik said:
You still haven't, that I've seen, propose a solution to a problem you are asserting exists.
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If that is a concern of yours start a thread and we can talk about it.
 
Montecresto said:
Unregulated, predatory capitalism, no doubt. The protections and regulations installed during the FDR administration gave rise to a four decade growth of a strong middle class. But deregulation and 30+ years of Reaganomics have eroded those gains.
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I think that is true. Those types of programs demonstrate the type of results that can be produced when capitalism is properly balanced with programs based on sharing and social responsibility. However, I would put forward, that if such programs are not accompanied by a very strong emphasis on proper education and an elevation of the role of the teaching profession, then such programs will lead to unnecessary government dependence.
 
MildSteel said:
Capitalism is the product of greed. And it is for this reason that it creates an environment that is conducive to the development of greed.
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You STILL refuse to state what you claim existed before capitalism for which people were less hateful.

Your poll question has if capitalism has INCREASED hate. What was hate increased from?
 
MildSteel said:
It does not inherently promote hatred or empathy. What it does, by its intrinsic nature, is to create an environment that is favorable to the development of hatred, more so than systems that are based on the ideas that resources should be shared. This is because capitalism places an emphasis on increased production for increased personal profit in terms of capital. As such it intrinsically requires increased consumption to drive such increases in production. As a result of this people must be conditioned to constantly increase their consumption of goods. This results in increased competition for scarce resources, which results in an increase in greed. This increase in greed in turn produces an increase in hatred, more so than a system that is centered on the notion that resources should be shared.
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Capitalism may very well increase competitive pressures, but it still leaves people to chose how to react to those competitive pressures. The finest in the human being is brought out in the crucible of competition.

As you seem to be opposing the capitalistic system, what other system would you put in place other than that one? None of the other systems has proven themselves to be more effective and more efficient.
 
MildSteel said:
It does not inherently promote hatred or empathy. What it does, by its intrinsic nature, is to create an environment that is favorable to the development of hatred, more so than systems that are based on the ideas that resources should be shared. This is because capitalism places an emphasis on increased production for increased personal profit in terms of capital. As such it intrinsically requires increased consumption to drive such increases in production. As a result of this people must be conditioned to constantly increase their consumption of goods. This results in increased competition for scarce resources, which results in an increase in greed. This increase in greed in turn produces an increase in hatred, more so than a system that is centered on the notion that resources should be shared.
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POOF! Share the magically appearing "resources." :roll: And THEN you continue to advocate the benefits of poverty.
 
MildSteel said:
Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others.

As such, has the advance in capitalism resulted in an increase in hatred in the human race?
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Maybe more self education for you regarding the US economic system would be in order.

The US economic system is a laissez-faire system that uses profit as the motivation for business creation and success.

The fact that there are some participants who are driven by greed, rather than profit, is an indictment of human nature rather than the US business system.
 
joko104 said:
You STILL refuse to state what you claim existed before capitalism for which people were less hateful.

Your poll question has if capitalism has INCREASED hate. What was hate increased from?
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Relative to systems that are based on the notion of sharing and social responsibility.
 
eohrnberger said:
Capitalism may very well increase competitive pressures, but it still leaves people to chose how to react to those competitive pressures.
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That is true. However the competitive pressure is centered on the notion of how to increase profit for the individual, ans a s such it creates an environment that is conducive to the development of greed which produces hate.

eohrnberger said:
The finest in the human being is brought out in the crucible of competition.
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It depends on what the competition is centered on. If people are constantly under pressure to compete for scarce resources just to survive, then the best in individual is not brought forward. Rather it develops into a destructive rat race if mechanisms are not put in place to instill a sense of sharing and social responsibility.

eohrnberger said:
As you seem to be opposing the capitalistic system, what other system would you put in place other than that one? None of the other systems has proven themselves to be more effective and more efficient.
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In my opinion the discussion of alternatives should be left for another thread. Even one thread devoted to this topic is not sufficient.
 
joko104 said:
POOF! Share the magically appearing "resources." :roll: And THEN you continue to advocate the benefits of poverty.
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What is your point?
 
MildSteel said:
It is the product of the desire to be free to pursue profit which is a product of greed.



The assertion that I have put forward is based on rational reasoning and is backed by observation. As I said earlier, one only need to look to the rise in the sentiment that the government should not use tax money to provide increased educational opportunities and health care for those who are less fortunate for evidence that this is taking place.



If that is a concern of yours start a thread and we can talk about it.
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I totally agreed with your assertion that the desire to be free to pursue profit is because of greed. According to the dictionary, greed is the "intense and selfish desire for something". Is it the intense part of greed or the selfish part of greed you disagree with more?

So you only want to hammer home the idea that there is a problem, you don't actually want to present a solution. Got it.

In my experience, someone in sales such as you claim, who is not motivated by more commissions is likely a poor salesmen. How is that for "rational reasoning" that is "backed by observation"?
 
SMTA said:
Maybe more self education for you regarding the US economic system would be in order.

The US economic system is a laissez-faire system that uses profit as the motivation for business creation and success.

The fact that there are some participants who are driven by greed, rather than profit, is an indictment of human nature rather than the US business system.
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The notion of individual profit is based on having taking more capital from a transaction than one put in. As such the element of greed is present.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I totally agreed with your assertion that the desire to be free to pursue profit is because of greed. According to the dictionary, greed is the "intense and selfish desire for something". Is it the intense part of greed or the selfish part of greed you disagree with more?

So you only want to hammer home the idea that there is a problem, you don't actually want to present a solution. Got it.

In my experience, someone in sales such as you claim, who is not motivated by more commissions is likely a poor salesmen. How is that for "rational reasoning" that is "backed by observation"?
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What I have said is that greed, if not properly balanced by the notions of sharing and social responsibility can produce a destructive level of hate. Furthermore, I have not denied that I am motivated by a certain level of greed.
 
MildSteel said:
The notion of individual profit is based on having taking more capital from a transaction than one put in. As such the element of greed is present.
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Again, you seem to understand nothing about economics.

Repeating the same incorrect logic over and over does not make it true.

Capital is substantially better when compared specifically to communism and socialism, where history has shown excessive abuse of power and trampling of lower socio-economic classes.

Google can be your friend, if you are willing to learn.
 
MildSteel said:
Relative to systems that are based on the notion of sharing and social responsibility.
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Social and economic responsibility as defined by ?????

In our case a Political party that isn't above perpetuating divisive manufactured narratives so they can appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Last week the VP talked about " emancipating " all the idle wealth that the " Rich " are holding on to.

The party that preaches " fairness " and social and economic justice can't figure out how to make a free market economy work.

Their policies are hurting the Middle class and now they're making threats that imply forced redistribution of private property because they don't understand what they oppose on principle. ( Free market economy )

And neither do their supporters which is why they can get away with this kind of rhetoric that would be right at home in a South American hard left dictatorship.

If only they realized just how critical the concept of incentivizing investment is to the American economy. And force isn't the right kind of incentive.
 
SMTA said:
Again, you seem to understand nothing about economics.

Repeating the same incorrect logic over and over does not make it true.

Capital is substantially better when compared specifically to communism and socialism, where history has shown excessive abuse of power and trampling of lower socio-economic classes.

Google can be your friend, if you are willing to learn.
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I think you need to learn to listen. This is not a comparison of capitalism to communism. It is an assertion that capitalism creates an environment that in conducive to the development of greed, more so than systems that are based more on the notions of sharing and social responsibility.
 
Fenton said:
Social and economic responsibility as defined by ?????
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I said SHARING and social responsibility. What's the matter? Is the notion of sharing such a poisonous concept to you that you cannot even say the word?
 
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