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Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

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ocean515 said:
Well, you have an interesting take on business and competition.
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Well for sure, when she slips up, I am going to "bowguard" her behind good.
 
MildSteel said:
Well for sure, when she slips up, I am going to "bowguard" her behind good.
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Well, call it what you want, but I wouldn't label that greed on your part, just good business sense. Obviously, if your successful with your "move", the market benefits, because you're providing something she couldn't, or wouldn't.
 
MildSteel said:
I don't agree with you that opportunity is intrinsic to capitalism. And that is probably where we diverge. What I see is that the competitiveness of a capitalism system encourages people to create barriers to entry for others such that profit can be maximized.
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Yep, many licensing, training and certification laws serve mainly that purpose. Of course, the advertised reason is usually public safety or quality assurance; we can't have just any (licensed and insured) moron offering folks rides to/from the mall - they must have a commercial permit, a proper meter for billing and abide by the "local cabbie code".
 
CMPancake said:
There is no system or economic structure a country could follow that is not immune to greed and to prevent contempt from the populace. So no, Capitalism doesn't breed hatred, and if it did it is no better at it than socialism, communism, or any other "Ism" one can think up.
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Agreed. But if you need to inject a little humor into your life you can always visit your friendly bartender in popular-socialist Venezuela:

An Englishman and a Frenchman are at a museum, admiring a Renaissance work depicting Adam, Eve, and the apple in Eden. The Briton observes that Adam sharing the apple with his wife shows a particularly British propriety. The Frenchman, unconvinced, counters that the pair’s obvious comfort with their nudity clearly marks them as French. A passing Venezuelan, overhearing, remarks candidly, “Sorry to intrude, caballeros, but these are obviously Venezuelans: they have nothing to wear, practically nothing to eat, and they are allegedly in Paradise.

Comedians Waiting for Cars and Coffee
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MildSteel said:
What I am saying is that what you said about hateful left wing propaganda supports my point. I just added that hateful right wing propaganda supports my point as well.
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Well if you mean that the hate projected from the extreme left/extreme right isnt the fault of Capitalism then I agree. Seriously, greedy people will be greedy no matter what economic system that they are in. A good example is communes at some point greed gets the best of them every time. And the occupy movement is full of greedy people taking advantage of each other.
 
MildSteel said:
Now I understand. Sorry about not being able to keep up. How is it that you think capitalism reduces the use of force? I don't agree with that.
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It depends on definitions, of course. But maintaining a set of rules like the restriction on robbery means that thugs and nobles cannot just wop you and take your produce in the commons. Capitalism requires a legal system and reduces activities of individual and systematic use of force giving regulation and process preference.

This does not eliminate all force as human nature requires or seems to require a threat of force be present to ensure civic peace.
 
Clearly if all these -ism's fail because of human nature, then we need to breed these undesirable traits from society. Now if we can just find someone to trust to carry out these necessary steps.

We won't need sales people because these will be no competing products to sell.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, many licensing, training and certification laws serve mainly that purpose. Of course, the advertised reason is usually public safety or quality assurance; we can't have just any (licensed and insured) moron offering folks rides to/from the mall - they must have a commercial permit, a proper meter for billing and abide by the "local cabbie code".
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Yep. That's one way they do it.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Well if you mean that the hate projected from the extreme left/extreme right isnt the fault of Capitalism then I agree. Seriously, greedy people will be greedy no matter what economic system that they are in. A good example is communes at some point greed gets the best of them every time. And the occupy movement is full of greedy people taking advantage of each other.
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No it's not the fault of capitalism. It's people who are at fault. However, what I am saying is that capitalism, by it's nature, creates conditions such that those types of qualities will develop, more so than a system that is based on the notion of sharing and that seek to emphasis the notion of social responsibility. But you are right, greed will be there, no matter what you do. Again, the question is what can be done to control it such that it does not reach a destructive level.
 
joG said:
It depends on definitions, of course. But maintaining a set of rules like the restriction on robbery means that thugs and nobles cannot just wop you and take your produce in the commons. Capitalism requires a legal system and reduces activities of individual and systematic use of force giving regulation and process preference.

This does not eliminate all force as human nature requires or seems to require a threat of force be present to ensure civic peace.
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OK. I see what you are saying. But capitalism is not the only system in which a legal system is required.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Clearly if all these -ism's fail because of human nature, then we need to breed these undesirable traits from society. Now if we can just find someone to trust to carry out these necessary steps.

We won't need sales people because these will be no competing products to sell.
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It can NOT be breed out of people in general. A few people will be able to rid themselves of that influence. But that is saintly behavior and is a totally different paradigm.
 
MildSteel said:
OK. I see what you are saying. But capitalism is not the only system in which a legal system is required.
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No. So it is a question of what legal system optimizes society's aims.
 
MildSteel said:
Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others.

As such, has the advance in capitalism resulted in an increase in hatred in the human race?
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LOL !!

WHAT !! Capitalism has pulled more people out of abject poverty than any other economic system and has increased the Standard of living for Billions of people around the World.

Of-course, what we've seen over the last 6 years economically is more Government intervention via Central Bank and Fiscal stimulus and this purely ideological approach that has had disastrous results all over the World.

Progressive's are beholden to the notion that a Government can spend, devalue and borrow its way into economic prosperity without realizing that this massive intervention has corrupted the underlying principles that have pulled so many out of poverty.

But after 6 years, 4 Trillion added to the FEDs books and Trillions added to the Debt the economy is still on life support.
 
Fenton said:
But after 6 years, 4 Trillion added to the FEDs books and Trillions added to the Debt the economy is still on life support.
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One track mind.
 
MildSteel said:
No it's not the fault of capitalism. It's people who are at fault. However, what I am saying is that capitalism, by it's nature, creates conditions such that those types of qualities will develop, more so than a system that is based on the notion of sharing and that seek to emphasis the notion of social responsibility. But you are right, greed will be there, no matter what you do. Again, the question is what can be done to control it such that it does not reach a destructive level.
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Perhaps continue having laws? Outside of some radicals no one really wants unfettered capitalism anywhere. Some will ignorantly (and hypocritically) tote the free market chain but they dont want anarchy, lord of the flies, Somalia, black market type of Capitalism. Not once in American history has unfettered capitalism existed as law. And each time that individuals and groups exploited laws we as a nation have responded. To get you fair dues for work has always been the unifying goal of Americans. In fact our nation based on such views.
 
MildSteel said:
Sorry, but an element of greed is there. Even in socialist systems the greed is there. The question is how to limit its influence such that it does not become destructive.
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Sorry, but not necessarily. I don't think you know what "greed" means. You have been indoctrinated to believe this.

greed
ɡrēd/
noun
intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
synonyms: avarice, cupidity, acquisitiveness, covetousness, rapacity.
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MildSteel said:
One track mind.
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It's a axiomatic truth that should be repeated again and again.

Government intervention into the private sector by way of Stimulus both Fiscal and monetary doesn't create substantial economic qrowth.

Since 2008 GDP growth on average is about 2 percent and that's after 8 Trillion in new debt and 4 Trillion in new liquidity that's sitting idle on the Books of the FED.

So ideologues like you have 2 choices. Accept that you have been hoodwinked into joining some cult like ideology or ATTEMPT to divert attention away from the failures of your ideology by blaming "Capitalism ".

Since Progressives don't understand the value of humility they'll ride their desperate assertions into the ground and take everyone else with them.

For example, the US Treasury, the US FED, the IMF and Central Banks all over the world applauded when Japan decided that they were going to double down on the policies that led to their insurmountable debt to GDP ratio.

To this day, as Japan allocates nearly 40 percent of their total revenues to debt service while their Central Bank is the ONLY one buying ( monetizing ) their debt, the US FED and idiots like Paul Krugman are still cheering them on.

So don't blame " Capitalism ".
 
countryboy said:
Sorry, but not necessarily. I don't think you know what "greed" means. You have been indoctrinated to believe this.
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Greed is one of those things that people have that they may not recognize.
 
Fenton said:
It's a axiomatic truth that should be repeated again and again.

Government intervention into the private sector by way of Stimulus both Fiscal and monetary doesn't create substantial economic qrowth.
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I guess you really have an axe to grind.
 
MildSteel said:
Greed is one of those things that people have that they may not recognize.
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And no Government should be tasked with the job of stopping or controlling greed.

We've been down that road before and it didn't turn put well.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Perhaps continue having laws? Outside of some radicals no one really wants unfettered capitalism anywhere. Some will ignorantly (and hypocritically) tote the free market chain but they dont want anarchy, lord of the flies, Somalia, black market type of Capitalism. Not once in American history has unfettered capitalism existed as law. And each time that individuals and groups exploited laws we as a nation have responded. To get you fair dues for work has always been the unifying goal of Americans. In fact our nation based on such views.
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Capitalism is a mechanism by which individuals can accumulate vast amounts of wealth. Along with such wealth comes vast amounts of power in which the political system as well as the ideological environment in which people think can be influenced. With such power at their disposal, if people are not vigilant, the system can evolve over time into a tyrannical oligarchy. I personally find the recent erosion of civil liberties and privacy to be particularly troubling. It appears to me that in the name of security, we seem prepared now to sacrifice the very mechanisms that have allowed the nation to respond in the fashion that you referred to. We need to be careful.
 
Fenton said:
And no Government should be tasked with the job of stopping or controlling greed.

We've been down that road before and it didn't turn put well.
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Thoughtful people should try to devise and create mechanisms such that greed does not develop to the level that it becomes destructive.
 
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