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Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?[W:143]

Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?


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Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Yes they were murdered, by, guess who? "anti racist" maybe you need to sleep, you can not spree many brain cells..

Lmao, :lol: hmmm let's see here. You claim that it can be said of any organization. I then post a link to an organization and ask you to prove your claim, and you show a link to a murder under investigation in another country entirely. Are you kidding?
 
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Wow, you found 4 cops in a no-go zone when I stated that a lot of cops do not go out of fear. Totally blew all those videos away...

You're ignoring facts now. There are police stations in these areas where cops won't go. You posted evidence in YOUR videos of cops patrolling these areas and now you're ignoring that it all contradicts YOUR claims that cops won't go in these places. As I said, uninformed.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

You're ignoring facts now. There are police stations in these areas where cops won't go. You posted evidence in YOUR videos of cops patrolling these areas and now you're ignoring that it all contradicts YOUR claims that cops won't go in these places. As I said, uninformed.

They face opposition for TRYING TO STOP CRIME. Not for BEING COPS. I knew the edit on that was too late.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

It seems like there is no part of PEGIDA that doesn't have some racial element. There are its leaders:

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With a leader who looks like that do you even need to ask?
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

They face opposition for TRYING TO STOP CRIME. Not for BEING COPS. I knew the edit on that was too late.

Good grief, did you or did you not say that cops could not go in these places? We have evidence from YOUR videos of multiple cops patrolling these areas. Holy ****, some of them are on bikes. Paris is 105.4sq KMs. That is A LOT of ground to walk back if they arrest somebody in a place they're not supposed to be in and they're riding a bike. Where do you think these police stations are that cops are walking around Paris no-go zones riding bikes? Have you ever been to Paris?
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Good grief, did you or did you not say that cops could not go in these places? We have evidence from YOUR videos of multiple cops patrolling these areas. Holy ****, some of them are on bikes. Paris is 105.4sq KMs. That is A LOT of ground to walk back if they arrest somebody in a place they're not supposed to be in and they're riding a bike. Where do you think these police stations are that cops are walking around Paris no-go zones riding bikes? Have you ever been to Paris?

Damn. If you want to believe that people willfully commit a crime while a cop is patrolling then that's up to you. I showed you videos where cops and fireman who did try and stop some in these areas where harassed. I'm not going to debate you if you honestly think that those videos were all fake and that everyone in Europe lives happy peaceful lives and PEGIDA is just running around screaming non-sense just for the sake of hatred and not fear and no one is getting shot for drawing the prophet muhummad or speaking against islam. Idgaf.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Native Americans can preach without threat. Like I said, as long as it's a free society, I don't care which race has more people in it.

It will not be a free society, what part of this can you not understand.

They will vote for who ever promises them the most free stuff, which is always the far left, collectivist statist, and they do nothing but violent rights and freedoms.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Damn. If you want to believe that people willfully commit a crime while a cop is patrolling then that's up to you. I showed you videos where cops and fireman who did try and stop some in these areas where harassed. I'm not going to debate you if you honestly think that those videos were all fake and that everyone in Europe lives happy peaceful lives and PEGIDA is just running around screaming non-sense just for the sake of hatred and not fear and no one is getting shot for drawing the prophet muhummad or speaking against islam. Idgaf.

To him, people like you are bad for even bring up the truth.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Good grief, did you or did you not say that cops could not go in these places? We have evidence from YOUR videos of multiple cops patrolling these areas. Holy ****, some of them are on bikes. Paris is 105.4sq KMs. That is A LOT of ground to walk back if they arrest somebody in a place they're not supposed to be in and they're riding a bike. Where do you think these police stations are that cops are walking around Paris no-go zones riding bikes? Have you ever been to Paris?

Here's one more. I have to get to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dao89RedIco
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Damn. If you want to believe that people willfully commit a crime while a cop is patrolling then that's up to you. I showed you videos where cops and fireman who did try and stop some in these areas where harassed. I'm not going to debate you if you honestly think that those videos were all fake and that everyone in Europe lives happy peaceful lives and PEGIDA is just running around screaming non-sense just for the sake of hatred and not fear and no one is getting shot for drawing the prophet muhummad or speaking against islam. Idgaf.

So many strawman. You just claimed that cops won't go in these places. Were those not cops in those places? I can wait for you to admit a simple point. Then we can move on to your other claims.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

This will depend on your definitions of course. The organisation is consisted of mostly ordinary citizens, and polls have showed that many Germans agree with the sentiment of their demonstrations. There is nothing « racist » about their concerns, which are legitimate.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Lmao, :lol: hmmm let's see here. You claim that it can be said of any organization. I then post a link to an organization and ask you to prove your claim, and you show a link to a murder under investigation in another country entirely. Are you kidding?

Well the group that claims to be responsible for those murders is an "anti racist" group.

But then again keep up this game, it what leftist do best..

God I hope you leftist feel the sting of Islam the hardest.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

This will depend on your definitions of course. The organisation is consisted of mostly ordinary citizens, and polls have showed that many Germans agree with the sentiment of their demonstrations. There is nothing « racist » about their concerns, which are legitimate.

Tell that to the leftist who think people wanting to protect and defend their culture, values, heritage, nation and race is a bad thing or evil..
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Which is also what the EDL says, their actions speak otherwise.

Indeed and actions is what I'm referring to here.
The general atmosphere in PEGIDA demonstrations seems to be miles away from the bigotry observed in the average EDL demonstration.
I see no fault at people who decide to protest against the effects radical Islam has had on Europe.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Well the group that claims to be responsible for those murders is an "anti racist" group.

:lol: Oh, boy. Is the group that committed the murders in your link THE SAME as the group I asked you about? Yes or no answer.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

So many strawman. You just claimed that cops won't go in these places. Were those not cops in those places? I can wait for you to admit a simple point. Then we can move on to your other claims.

In those videos, at those points in time, yes there were. You do know that time moves on and those police are not there, right? You do know those police refuse to enter into some areas unless they are in a min number right?
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

:lol: Oh, boy. Is the group that committed the murders in your link THE SAME as the group I asked you about? Yes or no answer.

So you are changing the subject why are we not supervised?
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Indeed and actions is what I'm referring to here.
The general atmosphere in PEGIDA demonstrations seems to be miles away from the bigotry observed in the average EDL demonstration.
I see no fault at people who decide to protest against the effects radical Islam has had on Europe.
Hmm, an Isreali who sympathizes with a group whose leader has a Hitler moustache and hates immigrants. Thats interesting.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Indeed and actions is what I'm referring to here.
The general atmosphere in PEGIDA demonstrations seems to be miles away from the bigotry observed in the average EDL demonstration.
I see no fault at people who decide to protest against the effects radical Islam has had on Europe.

German leaders condemn xenophobia after Pegida protests | World news | The Guardian

Bild’s deputy editor Bela Anda, wrote in an editorial to accompany the open letter: “They [the signatories] are saying no to xenophobia and yes to diversity and tolerance … We should not hand over our streets to hollow rallying cries.”

Angela Merkel called for people to turn their backs on Pegida in her New Year’s speech, saying the group was “full of prejudice, a chilliness, even hatred”.

But elsewhere in Germany, counter-demonstrations for the first time far outweighed the anti-immigrant rallies, with around 30,000 taking a stand against Pegida marches in Stuttgart, Hamburg, Cologne and Berlin.

In Cologne, church authorities turned off the lights of its Gothic cathedral, one of Germany’s most popular tourist attractions, to prevent the protesters using it as a backdrop. The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, Dresden’s opera house, the Semperoper, the carmaker Volkswagen’s headquarters in Wolfsburg, and numerous museums, public buildings and private homes across the country were also plunged into darkness.

So in short, tens of thousands of counter protesters, the German Chancellor, AND Germany's churches have all come to the conclusion that PEGIDA is pretty xenophobic if not racist. Do you believe there is a reason for this or some conspiracy to silence PEGIDA supporters?
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Hmm, an Isreali who sympathizes with a group whose leader has a Hitler moustache and hates immigrants. Thats interesting.

Bachmann is not the leader anymore. A group is more than its leader especially when the group is organising public demonstrations.

Hundreds of thousands of Germans have turned out to oppose immigration and Islam and the effect it has had on their nation. There's nothing fringe or radical about the movement.
 
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So you are changing the subject why are we not supervised?

Nobody is changing ANY subject. You claimed the same could be said about any organization. I provided an organization and asked you to prove your claim. You provided an unsolved murder in a different country that had nothing to do with the organization I provided. This is why following a conversation is important.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

That is his right to do so. Like I stated, if he doesn't wish to do his own research, that is not my problem.

Ok, first of all, this thread isn't about Hateuy or no go zones. If you want to discuss either, make your own thread and let us discuss PEGIDA.
Thank you.

As for the movement itself, it seems to have stemmed from frustration, but also from some sort of ignorance and phobia. I wouldn't call them scum, or even racists, but thing they should be both pitied and feared.
At the moment, they are still fringe and have plenty of opposition, but with increasing frustration T/O Europe and the fear of groups like ISIL, the movement must be closely monitored. Groups like PEGIDA feed on fear and frustration, feed an ideology which, as we have recently seen with ISIL and in the past with national socialism, can quickly morph into something very brutal and dangerous.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

So in short, tens of thousands of counter protesters, the German Chancellor, AND Germany's churches have all come to the conclusion that PEGIDA is pretty xenophobic. Do you believe there is a reason for this or some conspiracy to silence PEGIDA supporters?

The PEGIDA demonsrators outnumbered the counter protesters and polls are consistently showing more and more Germans are worried about immigration and Islam. Of course the German political elite and German business will oppose this. Anti-immigration sentiment has been silenced across the continent for a while now, branded as « racist » and so on.

Look to France. Front national has been attacked in the US and UK as fringe element when it is the third largest party in France and growing. There is a conspiracy to silence anti-immigration and anti-EU groups.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Bachmann is not the leader anymore. A group is more than its leader especially when the group is organising public demonstrations.

Hundreds of thousands of Germans have turned out to oppose immigration and Islam and the effect it has had on their nation. There's nothing fringe or radical about the movement.
The fact that they had a leader like that tells me all I need to know about that group. Funny how people now are defending racism all of a sudden as long as it suits them.
 
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