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Making a decision on a Minimum Wage Worker.

As a superviser/Manager what would you do?


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according to the right wing politics nobody is equal and some people always have to stay minimum wage workers because they are not smarter ,more intelligent etc...now cant we help them meet their basic needs as a human being ? are they sentenced to wage slavery for a lifetime ?


you dont have to be "smart" to earn over minimum wage

how smart do you think the guys are that clean sewage tanks?

and they make a hell of a lot more than minimum wage

how smart do you have to be to be a sanitation worker?

there are hundreds if not thousands of jobs that people with average or lower intelligence can do, and still earn middle class wages
 
It doesn't inform about his work ethic/motivations?
The only thing a trade school or college degree might indicate is that your company is merely a stepping stone until something better comes along.That the only reason that person is working for your company is because you were that person's last resort.

They are not relevant indicators of his expected performance in the future and thus whether or not he should get a raise?
They are not relevant indicators since those have nothing to do with how well the employee is currently doing his job.
 
you dont have to be "smart" to earn over minimum wage

how smart do you think the guys are that clean sewage tanks?

and they make a hell of a lot more than minimum wage

how smart do you have to be to be a sanitation worker?

there are hundreds if not thousands of jobs that people with average or lower intelligence can do, and still earn middle class wages

thats the argument of right-wingers..
 
according to the right wing politics nobody is equal and some people always have to stay minimum wage workers because they are not smarter ,more intelligent etc...now cant we help them meet their basic needs as a human being ? are they sentenced to wage slavery for a lifetime ?

Lets see, you are from Turkey. What does giving a worker in the US a raise, deserved or undeserved have to do with anything in Turkey? Last I checked, your upper-end of middle class has less actual wealth, in terms of standard of living, than the minimum wage worker in the US does.

Perhaps instead of giving that minimum wage worker a raise, we should send that money to Turkey or someplace even worse off?
 
Lets see, you are from Turkey. What does giving a worker in the US a raise, deserved or undeserved have to do with anything in Turkey? Last I checked, your upper-end of middle class has less actual wealth, in terms of standard of living, than the minimum wage worker in the US does.

Perhaps instead of giving that minimum wage worker a raise, we should send that money to Turkey or someplace even worse off?
I didnt know it was about turkeys .but yes we are cleaning your mess in the ME.yes you owe more than you think :2razz:
 
You seem terribly confused. What is good for business is not necessarily good for society. Or good for their workers. You could make the same argument you are making about safety regulations.

The stupidity of OSHA is a topic for a different thread.

Interesting argument. Why not extend that out to mankind? Instead of worry about the self created problems a minimum wage worker in a Liberal state, why not expend the same argument to include a herdsman in Somalia or Zimbabwe? Really, does the plight of a minimum wage worker in California who doesn't better themselves really mean anything more to me than those herdsman? The only real difference I see is that in the case of the worker in California, the government will take money from me and make things more expensive for me to "improve" the life of the Californian. Maybe the best solution for me would be to make all those high cost liberal locations part of another country?

If a so called "worker" consumes more than they produce, then how are they good for Business or society?

If what is good for business creates wealth, jobs and opportunity for society, then how is not better for society than expending resources on someone who does not take those opportunities but instead insists that the producer provide for him?
 
As a manager, a minimum wage position worker approaches you and asks for a raise. Worker has been in the company for three years. In the work force for 10+ years after high school. Worker has no college, no trade schooling. Worker has only held minimum wage entry level positions during his career. Has never been fired but also has never been graded by supervisor as more than adequate/average, has never been recommended for advancement to higher level/better pay and benefits position.

As the manager, what would you do?

1. Deny him the raise but allow him continued employment.
2. Recognize that he is a minimum performer, a lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, low skill useless POS and send him to unemployment opening the position to new potential workers.
3. Recognize his contributions to the company and offer him higher wages and benefits.
4. Recognize that he is a victim of an unfair and unjust society whom the evil owners of companies has oppressed and then offer him CEO wages to perform entry level work at minimum required levels.
Presuming this is a real-life scenario and not some metaphor for society at-large.

1) If they've lasted 10 years, they're more than just "minimal". (No mention of mental issues was mentioned.)
2) Have they been reliable and shown up pretty much every day for those 10 years? If so, at MW, that in and of itself is pretty exceptional.
3) They've earned a nominal raise. If nothing else, they've saved the company the expense of hiring and training new people on a regular basis.
 
I'd do the math and determine what the cost of replacement would be in terms of finding an equal or greater employee at their current pay rate. If it's significantly more, pay the employee an appropriate increase to save the costs associated with recruiting, interviewing, training, etc the new equivalent.

This of course assumes that my business is doing neither extremely successfully nor poorly, which might alter the priorities.
 
The stupidity of OSHA is a topic for a different thread.

Interesting argument. Why not extend that out to mankind? Instead of worry about the self created problems a minimum wage worker in a Liberal state, why not expend the same argument to include a herdsman in Somalia or Zimbabwe? Really, does the plight of a minimum wage worker in California who doesn't better themselves really mean anything more to me than those herdsman? The only real difference I see is that in the case of the worker in California, the government will take money from me and make things more expensive for me to "improve" the life of the Californian. Maybe the best solution for me would be to make all those high cost liberal locations part of another country?

If a so called "worker" consumes more than they produce, then how are they good for Business or society?

If what is good for business creates wealth, jobs and opportunity for society, then how is not better for society than expending resources on someone who does not take those opportunities but instead insists that the producer provide for him?

Clue for you: Somalia and Zimbabwe are not the US. There is a benefit to our society, in the US, to minimum wage laws.
 
Clue for you: Somalia and Zimbabwe are not the US. There is a benefit to our society, in the US, to minimum wage laws.

So being born in the US makes a person special somehow? Why doesn't everyone just choose to be born here then?

Clue for you: What the liberal assholes have done to me personally and to those like me in the last 6+ years gives me a lot of reasons not to like "my fellow Americans" who are of the leftist persuasion. Speaking of leftist, back to rifle/pistol practice for me, see you tomorrow.
 
That's an obvious observation from a non American....

How is his nationality relevant or in your opinion, not relevant?
 
How is his nationality relevant or in your opinion, not relevant?

Her actually... Medusa is a "her" who lives in Turkey. My semi snarky comment was actually a comment to her, an attempt at showing her the obviousness of the comment with one of my own.
 
Her actually... Medusa is a "her" who lives in Turkey. My semi snarky comment was actually a comment to her, an attempt at showing her the obviousness of the comment with one of my own.

Fair enough.
 
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there are hundreds if not thousands of jobs that people with average or lower intelligence can do, and still earn middle class wages

and there are millions of people willing and able to work those jobs. Only some of those people will get those jobs. Who gets those jobs is not just a matter of skill, knowledge and work ethic, there is also a large element of luck and being connected. That is why I don't look down on people who don't gave a good job.
 
This is why I hate the minimum wage. The federal government dictates the worth of this, and many peoples time. I don't like politicians telling me how much my time is worth.
 
This is why I hate the minimum wage. The federal government dictates the worth of this, and many peoples time. I don't like politicians telling me how much my time is worth.

So you're making minimum wage?
 
skill/education has nothing to do with wages.

It is just a way of demeaning people.


you bill out your "min wage" worker for $50 hour, guess what, $22 in wages, and another $5 for taxes and beni's.
 
As a manager, a minimum wage position worker approaches you and asks for a raise. Worker has been in the company for three years. In the work force for 10+ years after high school. Worker has no college, no trade schooling. Worker has only held minimum wage entry level positions during his career. Has never been fired but also has never been graded by supervisor as more than adequate/average, has never been recommended for advancement to higher level/better pay and benefits position.

As the manager, what would you do?

1. Deny him the raise but allow him continued employment.
2. Recognize that he is a minimum performer, a lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, low skill useless POS and send him to unemployment opening the position to new potential workers.
3. Recognize his contributions to the company and offer him higher wages and benefits.
4. Recognize that he is a victim of an unfair and unjust society whom the evil owners of companies has oppressed and then offer him CEO wages to perform entry level work at minimum required levels.

He would get a raise as an asset to the company for his long time experience and because his former manager got fired for being a dick to everybody and keeping HIM to minimum wage.
 
As a manager, a minimum wage position worker approaches you and asks for a raise. Worker has been in the company for three years. In the work force for 10+ years after high school. Worker has no college, no trade schooling. Worker has only held minimum wage entry level positions during his career. Has never been fired but also has never been graded by supervisor as more than adequate/average, has never been recommended for advancement to higher level/better pay and benefits position.

As the manager, what would you do?

1. Deny him the raise but allow him continued employment.
2. Recognize that he is a minimum performer, a lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, low skill useless POS and send him to unemployment opening the position to new potential workers.
3. Recognize his contributions to the company and offer him higher wages and benefits.
4. Recognize that he is a victim of an unfair and unjust society whom the evil owners of companies has oppressed and then offer him CEO wages to perform entry level work at minimum required levels.

If he wants a raise but I don't think he deserves it, I would (and should have already during evaluations) give him a set of goals I'd like him to reach by a certain reasonable target date. I would communicate with him the things I'd think he needs to do better, why and how. I'd recomend he take part time classes. If he meets these goals, which should make my company for profitable, I think a raise and possibly a promotion is in order. If he refuses (and has refused to in the past) without a reasonable explanation I think he is lucky to keep working for me.

Based on the information offered in the op, namely a long time employee who has demonstrated dedication by his lengthy tenure but has never been offered a raise, I highly suspect he has been treated unfairly by his employer. Simply by virtue of stability, not having to train new staff to replace him, the time and effort it takes to recruit and interview potential candidates to replace him, the adjustments needed when new team members join a new work culture and that affect on morale and productivity thanks to his dedication to the company are worth something, all other things being equal.
 
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really not enough info.....but working with what you posted, i would bring him into my office and ask him why he believes he is due a raise, and let him make his case, and as he does i will counter that argument if i have anything. if he can make a good case for the reason of being paid more, i would give him more......but i don't want to heard...."i just need more money"
 
As a manager, a minimum wage position worker approaches you and asks for a raise. Worker has been in the company for three years. In the work force for 10+ years after high school. Worker has no college, no trade schooling. Worker has only held minimum wage entry level positions during his career. Has never been fired but also has never been graded by supervisor as more than adequate/average, has never been recommended for advancement to higher level/better pay and benefits position.

As the manager, what would you do?

1. Deny him the raise but allow him continued employment.
2. Recognize that he is a minimum performer, a lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, low skill useless POS and send him to unemployment opening the position to new potential workers.
3. Recognize his contributions to the company and offer him higher wages and benefits.
4. Recognize that he is a victim of an unfair and unjust society whom the evil owners of companies has oppressed and then offer him CEO wages to perform entry level work at minimum required levels.

1. What kind of raise is he asking for.
2. Explain to him what he needs to do to earn a raise.
3. If he does that, then he's breaking the mold - give it to him, make sure that he gets some other perks as well, and let him know what he would have to do to advance to the next step.

I'm fine with recognizing people's achievement, but they have to achieve.
 
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