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Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Should Israel be required to sign the NPT

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DDD said:
I say:

No test (a story about an Israeli whistleblower cannot compensate for a nuke test) no trust.
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So do you have any sort of credible source that will say there is no evidence whatsoever that Israel has not tested a weapon?
 
MildSteel said:
So do you have any sort of credible source that will say there is no evidence whatsoever that Israel has not tested a weapon?
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Because there are no such sources then Israel does not has nukes. Should you wish to change the position it is of course up to you to find such sources, not me. I am fine with the belief that Israel does not has nukes cause they never tested them (hint, nuke testing is big, and sources easily found).
 
DDD said:
Because there are no such sources then Israel does not has nukes. Should you wish to change the position it is of course up to you to find such sources, not me. I am fine with the belief that Israel does not has nukes cause they never tested them (hint, nuke testing is big, and sources easily found).
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Men freely believe that which they desire.
 
PoS said:
Hamas makes rockets out of chocolate and pasta?
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An idiotic deduction clearly considering chocolate and pasta are allowed into the Gaza Strip at present.
Cement however is blockaded and only allowed through manageable channels, as Hamas indeed makes rockets and tunnels using the material.

Isreal began a blockade the moment Hamas won the US mandated election in the Gaza strip. So much for Isreal and its love of democracy...
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It is frivolous to believe that whether or not a state is a Democracy has anything to do with blockading a territory controlled by terrorists.
It shows great ignorance.

Hamas was abiding with the ceasefire until Isreal broke it since they always break the ceasefire in order to goad Hamas into fighting them so they can keep invading Gaza. Isreal wants to keep bombing Hamas every few years to keep them weak.
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These ridiculous baseless assertions are fitting the mentality of terror-supporters which is clearly attracted to conspiracy theories by nature.

I havent denied that Hamas and Hezbollah are murderers. Isreal is just as bad as they are, in fact, the disproportionate civilians Isreal kills makes them far far worse.
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This is like claiming that the US is worse than al-Qaeda.
Such statement will obviously be a show of support for al-Qaeda.
Likewise your statement, analogously, is a show of support for Hamas and Hezbollah.
And that's without even considering you crying over the death of Islamic terrorists.
 
Here's something on possible Israeli nuclear weapons testing

According to a detailed account contained in Time magazine, Israel assembled about a dozen bombs and readied them for use during the October 1973 Arab-Israeli war. The bombs could have been delivered by aircraft or missiles. In 1974, Israeli President Ephraim Katzir said that "it has always been our intention to develop a nuclear potential ... We now have that potential." This remark was followed five years later by a spectacular and still controversial event.

On September 22, 1979, an American "Vela" satellite detected a distinctive double flash off the southern coast of Africa. The satellite data, together with other information from U.S. intelligence sources, offered strong evidence that the flash had been caused by a low-yield nuclear explosion. Defense Department and State Department officials pointed out that this was only the 42nd time that a satellite of this type had registered such a signal; and in the first 41 cases, according to these officials, the Vela had correctly detected atmospheric nuclear tests. A State Department official later told the Washington Post: "Look, the Vela satellite picked up a signature like this 41 times before. In every one of those 41 instances, there was never any question about the fact that a nuclear test had taken place. Each of those 41 was undeniably a nuclear explosion. This was, too."

A 1979 CIA memorandum stated that "of all the countries which might have been responsible for the 22 September event, Israel would probably have been the only one for which a clandestine approach would have been virtually its only option." The CIA also observed that Israelis had participated in South African nuclear research during the preceding several years.

In June 1980, the CIA reported to the National Security Council that a 2-3 kiloton nuclear test had taken place at the time and place of the Vela reading, and that it had probably involved Israel and South Africa. However, a panel of scientific experts assembled by the Carter White House analyzed the technical data and concluded that the information was too ambiguous to prove that the event was a nuclear test.
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Israel's Nuclear Weapon Capability: An Overview
 
Apocalypse said:
An idiotic deduction clearly considering chocolate and pasta are allowed into the Gaza Strip at present.
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At one time chocolate and pasta were not allowed in

The UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees Unrwa's list of household items that have been refused entry at various times includes light bulbs, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, pasta, tea, coffee, chocolate, nuts, shampoo and conditioner.
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BBC News - Guide: Gaza under blockade

WOW!!! Chocolate and pasta!! Amazing!!!!
 
DDD said:
Too ambiguous indeed.

No test, no trust that Israel has nukes :)
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Like I said, men freely believe that which they desire. You have provided not one source that states there is no evidence that Israel has tested a nuclear weapon.
 
MildSteel said:
Like I said, men freely believe that which they desire. You have provided not one source that states there is no evidence that Israel has tested a nuclear weapon.
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Why? It is not my position that they have nukes?

Plus you provided enough evidence that they do not have them, such as the ambiguous one in post 306 for instance.
 
DDD said:
Why? It is not my position that they have nukes?
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It is your position that because Israel has not tested nuclear weapons that they do not have them

I still hold the position that unless Israel tests their nukes then they do not have them.
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Again, do you have any evidence whatsoever that they have not tested them? Do you have any knowledgeable credible source that says that they have not tested them? On what do you base your claim, mere belief?

Therefore I say, men freely believe that which they desire.
 
It's interesting to see how much Jew-hating these days comes from leftists who also hate America. The U.S. now even has a president who has shown signs of these poisonous sentiments. B. Hussein Obama has been more hostile to Israel than any U.S. president since that nation was created in 1948, even more so than the anti-Semitic Jimmy Carter. It should be no surprise that one of Mr. Obama's closest pals in Chicago was Rashid Khalidi, a great admirer of Yasser Arafat and a former PLO propagandist. Nor should it be any surprise that Obama's preacher of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright, is a close, longtime friend of the Jew-hating Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan.

Their loathing of Jews and of America gives leftists common cause with Muslim jihadists. That's why leftists can so often be seen carrying water for Hamas, for example--even though it is the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood--while condemning Israel. These people are the jihadists' helpmates in the U.S., constantly making excuses for Islamic terrorists while working to undermine this country's resolve to fight and defeat them. If these people had their way, the U.S. would do nothing to combat Islamic jihad, while stabbing Israel in the back at every opportunity. Andy McCarthy describes this unholy affiliation between leftists and jihadists in an outstanding book entitled "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America."
 
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MildSteel said:
It is your position that because Israel has not tested nuclear weapons that they do not have them

Again, do you have any evidence whatsoever that they have not tested them? Do you have any knowledgeable credible source that says that they have not tested them? On what do you base your claim, mere belief?
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Asking for references for something that did not happen is a logical fallacy named: Appealing to the unknown. It is trying to prove a negative.

If it was tested there would be references. Since there are no references that state that Israel tested nukes as a fact, then there is no need to believe that they have nukes.

MildSteel said:
Therefore I say, men freely believe that which they desire.
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I agree,

But until Israel tests nukes (and it is not my job to prove whether they have) then there is no need to take your word for it, is there?
 
DDD said:
Asking for references for something that did not happen is a logical fallacy named: Appealing to the unknown. It is trying to prove a negative.
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No there is no logical fallacy because I did not ask you to prove it. I merely asked for a credible knowledgeable source that has said that Israel has not tested nukes. YOU said that have not tested them and YOU have not provided the slightest thing on which to base your claim other than that is what you believe. Your position would make some sense if I said prove conclusively that they did not test them. What you have put forward here is bogus.

DDD said:
I agree
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Of course you agree, because belief is all you have.
 
MildSteel said:
No there is no logical fallacy because I did not ask you to prove it. I merely asked for a credible knowledgeable source that has said that Israel has not tested nukes. YOU said that have not tested them and YOU have not provided the slightest thing on which to base your claim other than that is what you believe. Your position would make some sense if I said prove conclusively that they did not test them. What you have put forward here is bogus.

Of course you agree, because belief is all you have.
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I see, so you are trying to leave the burden of proof to a non-believer then. Okay, we can do this very easily:

Does Israel has nukes?

Yes/No?
 
DDD said:
As I thought!
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Yep, keep believing. All I asked you for was a credible, knowledgeable source who has said Israel has not tested nuclear weapons. That's all. You can't do it, so all you have is belief.
 
MildSteel said:
Yep, keep believing. All I asked you for was a credible, knowledgeable source who has said Israel has not tested nuclear weapons. That's all. You can't do it, so all you have is belief.
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Pardon? Does Israel has nukes or not? :)
 
DDD said:
Pardon? Does Israel has nukes or not?
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Pardon but I have already made my position on that issue clear. The issue at hand in our discussion is whether or not you have a credible, knowledgeable source that says that Israel has not tested nuclear weapons. If you can't produce that, all you have is belief.
 
MildSteel said:
Pardon but I have already made my position on that issue clear. The issue at hand in our discussion is whether or not you have a credible, knowledgeable source that says that Israel has not tested nuclear weapons. If you can't produce that, all you have is belief.
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But the issue is not about me. See the thread's title up there? This ad hominem approach is yet another logical fallacy.

I am satisfied that one can no longer assert that Israel has nukes. I am ready to leave it at that.

Unless, one would like to assert that Israel has nukes perhaps? How about you? Could you dare make such a statement?
 
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