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Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Should Israel be required to sign the NPT

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Montecresto said:
Its in the bolded DH!
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You don't even pretend to have integrity in your messages, do you? Quote my advocating Ukraine using nuclear weapons? I advocated that Ukraine should have kept some.

Do you own a kitchen knife? Then OBVIOUSLY you advocate your stabbing people with it. That is you bizarre claim of logic.
 
MildSteel said:
No you still have not shown it. According to your source he said IT CAN, not that IT WANTED to. Not only that, but I can point to statements that U.S. generals have made that don't reflect the position of the United States.
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Sorry, your denials aren't believable.
 
Montecresto said:
And prominent figures like PM David Cameron, who considers the Gaza Strip on par with a concentration camp. Yes, a concentration camp, enforced by the least likely people, having endured the treatment themselves.
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That's because he is a bigot who hates Jews and is a Holocaust minimizer. The Gaza Strip is nothing like a Jewish concentration camp was. The Jew-haters are thick on this thread.
 
Montecresto said:
And prominent figures like PM David Cameron, who considers the Gaza Strip on par with a concentration camp. Yes, a concentration camp, enforced by the least likely people, having endured the treatment themselves.
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Should we care about the opinion of a man who is so blindingly ignorant?
 
PoS said:
The US, UK and France does not occupy millions of people for 50 years and subject their own laws on them, only Isreal does that. So much for your logic.
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Your statement is false. There is no logic when the core premise is false. Gaza is under Palestinian authority and has been for a decade. Nor does it have "millions" of people.

What is accurate is that no country but Israel would withstand constant mortar and rocket attacks against their civilian population and not to total war over it.

White people hating Jews and accusing them for everyone's problems and of every evil secret conspiracy? Very traditional bigotry. Your messages are in that category.

Even though it has no effect on you, Jews have been one most oppressed and murdered minorities in the world, and have only the tiniest of countries as their ancestral home - and you fixate hatred on them, accuse them of conspiracies and all the problems of Arabs, and want them rendered defenseless. Any other accusations, conspiracy theories and death wishes about Jews you want to post?
 
Montecresto said:
And prominent figures like PM David Cameron, who considers the Gaza Strip on par with a concentration camp. Yes, a concentration camp, enforced by the least likely people, having endured the treatment themselves.
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Meanwhile in reality, what he actually said is that the Gaza Strip is a prison camp, which was a concerning remark on its own but is clearly miles away from the pathetic antisemitic injection you've made that attempts to portrayal Jews as Nazis. Nice try though.
 
Logicman said:
Listen, Iran is a terrorist state
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No it is not. It is a sovereign state.

has promised to destroy Israel
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Domestic politics. If Israel stopped abusing the Palestinian people and actually wanted peace, then this rhetoric would be useless.

and threatens the U.S.
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Of course it threatens the US.. the US is the country that backed the Shah and trained his forces for his reign of terror.

Letting Iran have nukes is akin to letting Hitler get the bomb.
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Well considering Iran has not started a war in centuries then it is kinda..

The time is coming when Israel is going to have to do what Obummer and the European Community are too morally weak to do - take out Iran's nuclear program. I support Israel whacking terrorist Iran to keep them from getting nukes.
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And it is people like you, living in a fantasy world where violence is the only way. Shoot first and never ask questions later.

And you'd better be glad the U.S. has had the 'bomb' for all these years or you people would be speaking Russian.
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Oh dont get me wrong, rather have the US having it than the Soviets or Israel.. but I would rather like that NO ONE had nukes.
 
PeteEU said:
Hell yes.. since the west almost "requires" countries like Iran and Pakistan to sign up, then why not Israel? After all Israel has actually sold nuclear tech to a hostile nation.. Iran and Pakistan has not..
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AQ Khan and Benazir Bhutto come to mind...
 
Atiya said:
In my opinion, the answer is yes. Israel should be required to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty. If everyone else has to sign such, why shouldn't Israel? During the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah conflict, Israel used white phosphorus, a chemical element which burns the skin when used as an incendiary weapon against the enemy. Condoleezza Rice, then Secretary of State, admonished Israel against using such a weapon in that war with Hezbollah. Many Lebanese were treated at the hospital for burns caused by white phosphorus. There should be no exceptions to the rule of NPT.
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Then it would apply to N Korea, Pakistan, India. Also consider that the US has not signed off on certain treaties as well. Should the US be forced to sign onto the International criminal Court/Law of the Sea? How much power should the UN have?

http://www.icc-cpi.int/en_menus/asp/states parties/Pages/the states parties to the rome statute.aspx
123 signatories- I think that UN membership has approx 193 countries.

Fact Sheet: UN Convention on the Law of the Sea | Center for Arms Control & Non-Proliferation
Law of the sea - 164 signatories.
 
PeteEU said:
Allies are equals. Europe has never been treated as equals and when they forced the issue, then the US called countries like France and Germany as disloyal and all that bull****. Just look at when the UK pulled out of Iraq, how the attitude towards the UK suddenly changed overnight. They went from being key competent allies to being incompetent baffons.. classy.

As I stated.. trust has to be earned and gained. It can also easily be lost. The "special relationship" with the UK is only as special as long as the UK is in the EU.. that has been US policy since Reagan when Thatcher threatened to leave.. it is no different today. Is that a real ally or a bully in a so called complicated marriage?

So I ask again, why trust Israel or the US with nukes more than other countries? Should there not be equal standards on the subject?
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Well N Korea- Not a sane fellow at the best of times
Pakistan after the terror attacks in Mumbai sponsored in part by Pakistani Intelligence a war was narrowly averted, thanks to India who kept their cool
Russia who has stated they are a first use but limited option for deescalation. Deescalation, really.

Why Russia calls a limited nuclear strike "de-escalation" | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
The doctrine introduced the notion of de-escalation—a strategy envisioning the threat of a limited nuclear strike that would force an opponent to accept a return to the status quo ante. Such a threat is envisioned as deterring the United States and its allies from involvement in conflicts in which Russia has an important stake, and in this sense is essentially defensive. Yet, to be effective, such a threat also must be credible. To that end, all large-scale military exercises that Russia conducted beginning in 2000 featured simulations of limited nuclear strikes.
 
PeteEU said:
Allies are equals. Europe has never been treated as equals and when they forced the issue, then the US called countries like France and Germany as disloyal and all that bull****. Just look at when the UK pulled out of Iraq, how the attitude towards the UK suddenly changed overnight. They went from being key competent allies to being incompetent baffons.. classy.
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NATO 75 % funded by the US- The EU Military ran out of bombs during the Libya fiasco.
Now with an aggressive bear in the neighborhood, well they finally pay attention. But will they pony up the funds for their military defense?
Twice the US recused Europe.
 
PoS said:
Isreal is as bad or even worse than Iran or North Korea, they keep millions of Palestinians in illegally occupied territories and kill them whenever they feel like it.
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You are correct in that Israel is a huge part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; it does not help that the US uses a double standard which favors Israel. Every time the UN seek to impose a resolution on Israel, the US vetoes it. The reason for this is manifold. The Fundamental Christians in America believe only when all the Jews return to Palestine aka Israel, will the Messiah return again. Another reason is political money. AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, contributes handsomely to both parties, Republican and Democrat so that practically the entire congress is pro-Israel. This combination makes dispensing equal justices regarding the Israel/Palestinian conflict upside down. There will never be peace as long as Israel controls the US congress via a hefty election/re-election campaign contributions to the power hunger American congress.

This Israeli/Palestinian conflict ripples poisonously throughout the middle east and is like a cancer. The Arabs hate the US along with Israel. Europe is also against Israel because of its continued occupation of the West Bank and is planning on future sanctions.
 
PeteEU said:
No it is not. It is a sovereign state.



Domestic politics. If Israel stopped abusing the Palestinian people and actually wanted peace, then this rhetoric would be useless.



Of course it threatens the US.. the US is the country that backed the Shah and trained his forces for his reign of terror.



Well considering Iran has not started a war in centuries then it is kinda..



And it is people like you, living in a fantasy world where violence is the only way. Shoot first and never ask questions later.



Oh dont get me wrong, rather have the US having it than the Soviets or Israel.. but I would rather like that NO ONE had nukes.
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You like world wars? Not enough war casualties anymore for you?
 
Atiya said:
You are correct in that Israel is a huge part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; it does not help that the US uses a double standard which favors Israel. Every time the UN seek to impose a resolution on Israel, the US vetoes it. The reason for this is manifold. The Fundamental Christians in America believe only when all the Jews return to Palestine aka Israel, will the Messiah return again. Another reason is political money. AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, contributes handsomely to both parties, Republican and Democrat so that practically the entire congress is pro-Israel. This combination makes dispensing equal justices regarding the Israel/Palestinian conflict upside down. There will never be peace as long as Israel controls the US congress via a hefty election/re-election campaign contributions to the power hunger American congress.

This Israeli/Palestinian conflict ripples poisonously throughout the middle east and is like a cancer. The Arabs hate the US along with Israel. Europe is also against Israel because of its continued occupation of the West Bank and is planning on future sanctions.
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You left off that some people don't think Jews should be slaughtered and subject to the mistreatment of every society and government in the world. While you're a-ok with that and therefore it didn't make your list, it probably does matter to some Jews.
 
JANFU said:
Well N Korea- Not a sane fellow at the best of times
Pakistan after the terror attacks in Mumbai sponsored in part by Pakistani Intelligence a war was narrowly averted, thanks to India who kept their cool
Russia who has stated they are a first use but limited option for deescalation. Deescalation, really.

Why Russia calls a limited nuclear strike "de-escalation" | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
The doctrine introduced the notion of de-escalation—a strategy envisioning the threat of a limited nuclear strike that would force an opponent to accept a return to the status quo ante. Such a threat is envisioned as deterring the United States and its allies from involvement in conflicts in which Russia has an important stake, and in this sense is essentially defensive. Yet, to be effective, such a threat also must be credible. To that end, all large-scale military exercises that Russia conducted beginning in 2000 featured simulations of limited nuclear strikes.
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It's Putin trying to play a poker game and nothing else.
 
PoS said:
Isreal is as bad or even worse than Iran or North Korea, they keep millions of Palestinians in illegally occupied territories and kill them whenever they feel like it.
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Absurd lies of rabid hatred of Jews.
 
joko104 said:
It's Putin trying to play a poker game and nothing else.
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Next could be the Baltic's to raise pressure on NATO. He will want a deal, war stops, Crimea is Russian, sanctions lifted.
 
PeteEU said:
No it is not. It is a sovereign state.
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Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.

State Sponsors of Terrorism

PeteEU said:
Domestic politics. If Israel stopped abusing the Palestinian people and actually wanted peace, then this rhetoric would be useless.
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Nonsense. The PLO Charter still calls for the destruction of Israel.

The PLO Charter Still Calls for Israel's Destruction | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

So, congratulations on defending state sponsors of terrorism.
 
Apocalypse said:
Meanwhile in reality, what he actually said is that the Gaza Strip is a prison camp, which was a concerning remark on its own but is clearly miles away from the pathetic antisemitic injection you've made that attempts to portrayal Jews as Nazis. Nice try though.
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Prison camp escapee: North Korea won't change its repressive ways
Prison camp escapee: North Korea won't change its repressive ways - CNN.com

OMG. we should all feel so much better, Israel is running prison camps, not camps that concentrate the Palestinians in a couple tight spots.

Btw, channel 2, Israel's most popular news channel heard Cameron's comment and reported it as "concentration camp"!!!
 
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MildSteel said:
Wrong
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Yes you are wrong, there is no hypocrisy.



MildSteel said:
That is a moronic response. Do you know what a comparison is?
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Yes your statement was moronic.
Shielding would be an agreement between two Nations
Settlement expansion is not.
As I said, the two are not comparable.

As for your question? It is obvious that you do not know what it is.


MildSteel said:
Another moronic response.
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Yes, your response is again moronic.
You exaggerated. No one spit in their face.



MildSteel said:
Wrong again.
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Damn this is so easy.
Yes you are wrong again. There is no hypocrisy here, nor have you pointed to any, nor could you.



MildSteel said:
What? Another moronic response.
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:lamo:2rofll::lamo
Yes, again you have provided a moronic response.
It was and still is your phony baloney you are trying to peddle.
 
Logicman said:
Sorry, your denials aren't believable.
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Sorry but what you provided fell short. When you get something I will acknowledge it. Until then....
 
Excon said:
Yes you are wrong, there is no hypocrisy.



Yes your statement was moronic.
Shielding would be an agreement between two Nations
Settlement expansion is not.
As I said, the two are not comparable.

As for your question? It is obvious that you do not know what it is.


Yes, your response is again moronic.
You exaggerated. No one spit in their face.



Damn this is so easy.
Yes you are wrong again. There is no hypocrisy here, nor have you pointed to any, nor could you.



:lamo:2rofll::lamo
Yes, again you have provided a moronic response.
It was and still is your phony baloney you are trying to peddle.
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A bunch of salami and baloney. YUK!!!!!
 
Atiya said:
You are correct in that Israel is a huge part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; it does not help that the US uses a double standard which favors Israel. Every time the UN seek to impose a resolution on Israel, the US vetoes it. The reason for this is manifold. The Fundamental Christians in America believe only when all the Jews return to Palestine aka Israel, will the Messiah return again. Another reason is political money. AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, contributes handsomely to both parties, Republican and Democrat so that practically the entire congress is pro-Israel. This combination makes dispensing equal justices regarding the Israel/Palestinian conflict upside down. There will never be peace as long as Israel controls the US congress via a hefty election/re-election campaign contributions to the power hunger American congress.

This Israeli/Palestinian conflict ripples poisonously throughout the middle east and is like a cancer. The Arabs hate the US along with Israel. Europe is also against Israel because of its continued occupation of the West Bank and is planning on future sanctions.
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That was a good post. Do you have a link concerning planned sanctions?
 
Montecresto said:
And prominent figures like PM David Cameron, who considers the Gaza Strip on par with a concentration camp. Yes, a concentration camp, enforced by the least likely people, having endured the treatment themselves.
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It is amazing that although Jewish people suffered so at the hands of the Nazis, that they would impose such severe suffering on the Palestinians. Very cruel.
 
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