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Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Should Israel be required to sign the NPT


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Today? I agree.

But AIPAC cannot control Congress forever.

The refuge of the forlorn fanatic: "The only reason people haven't adopted my way of thinking is because they are all bought and paid for!". It honestly makes them feel better about the irrelevancy of their conspiratorial worldview.
 
required?
no

expected?
absolutely

but until it is a signatory to that agreement then its voice, its view should never be heard about another nation seeking nuclear capacity
 
Simpleχity;1064327879 said:
I agree 100%. But unfortunately that Nirvana isn't going to happen anytime soon.

So far, there are only four nations that entirely did away with nuclear weapons and signed the NPT;

  • South Africa voluntarily disassembled its nuclear weapons (?) and signed the NPT.
  • Belarus voluntarily transferred its nuclear weapons (81) to Russia and signed the NPT.
  • Kazakhstan voluntarily transferred its nuclear weapons (1,400) to Russia and signed the NPT.
  • Ukraine voluntarily transferred its nuclear weapons (5,000) to Russia and signed the NPT.

Well, I mean you can ridicule the notion by referring to it as nirvana. Or you can embrace it and lobby for it. It's not an impossibility, nor are Einstein's calculations on world war, if we don't.
 
Nothing will stop U.S. hypocrisy on this or any other issue when it's in the USA's best interest.

Unfortunately, that's true. However, no one stays on top forever
 
I saw a story that talked about how the U.S. government recently released classified documents on Israel's nuclear program. Since its obvious that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, should they be required to sign the NPT?

AFAIK no country has ever been forced to sign the NPT. Indeed some have even withdrawn from it, such as NK. Why should we force it on any Nation? Indeed, what gives us the Right to force any country to sign anything?
 
You, are a warmonger. And your desire that Israel produce hydrogen bombs, when the world should be eliminating such weapons is only one example of demonstration of it.

Many people definitely want Jews and Israel defenseless and subject to eradication from earth. Nothing new or creative about that view of your messages.

Why don't you do some research for once. The number of deaths from wars has radically dropped since the invention of the atomic bomb - and the number of major wars and world wars since then has been exactly zero.

The warmongering messages, in reality, are your's, because you want to make major war possible again, as was the entire history of the human race until the atomic bomb came along - making total war - FINALLY - impossible for anyone to win.
 
It never did and that's been going on since the day that the state of Israel came into existence.

I wonder who we have to thank for that? :roll:

Obviously you blame the Allies and Russians for prevailing in WWII. The world would be so much better had only Hitler succeeded, huh? :roll:
 
Well, I mean you can ridicule the notion by referring to it as nirvana. Or you can embrace it and lobby for it. It's not an impossibility, nor are Einstein's calculations on world war, if we don't.

And Ukraine is paying for it now in deaths and being militarily defeated and, essentially, eliminated as a country. If Ukraine has 6 nuclear warheads there wouldn't be a Russian soldier in Ukraine now.

If Israel gave up their atomic weapons they slaughtered. But plenty of people want exactly that. Curiously, increasingly it has become liberals who support making that possible.
 
Improved hegemony in the region!

At least you admit you want jews eradicated from the ME and their ancestral nation. Or do you just want them enslaved? Any other races you want to eliminate or enslave for "hegemony?" There used to be a strong movement for that against Chinese and blacks in this country.

Do you support religion and ethnic "hegemony" in the United States? You may be the only member of the forum who openly advocates systemic white privilege as the ideal American society.
 
As long as the USA "sanctions" Iran for allegedNuke research, it presents itself as the maximum hypocrite for not insisting upon Israeli compliance with an International agreement expressly regarding Israel's nuclear weapons program. The USA should initiate teh same sanctions against Israel just to demonstrate that the sanctions are "just and fair" and not a naked political ploy discriminately aimed for covert purposes. Israel needs to comply.

Given Iran's attitudes and abuse of gays it was foregone that you love Iran, just like you cheer Putin for his rants and law against gays.

Why do you stay in the USA? Seriously. Can't afford to leave?
 
I'm thinking the question/poll is more likely soliciting debate over hypocritical nuclear policy than whether or not anybody can or will deny Israel there's.

No, it is over Israel's right to exist and to not being slaughters, and the right of Jews to have their own safe haven country.

Since we have nuclear weapons there is no hypocrisy topic or are demanding Russia and China give up their nukes there is none either. The REAL poll question is "Do you hate Jews?" It comes down to that.
 
Obviously you blame the Allies and Russians for prevailing in WWII. The world would be so much better had only Hitler succeeded, huh?
:roll:



That may be your opinion but it's not mine. :roll:

Believe whatever you want to believe, it will have zero effect on reality.
 
Nothing will stop U.S. hypocrisy on this or any other issue when it's in the USA's best interest.

The #1 problem of government in the USA is too few now consider what is in the best long term interests of the USA. Instead it has become a contest of who can promise the most now for votes with absolutely no concern for the future in doing so - and most voters going for it.

Of course USA foreign policy should - exactly - be "what is in the best interest of the United States." It's bizarre to even suggest otherwise.
 
That may be your opinion but it's not mine. :roll:

Believe whatever you want to believe, it will have zero effect on reality.

OK, you do YOU blame for the existence of Israel, since you raised the topic.
 
Many people definitely want Jews and Israel defenseless and subject to eradication from earth. Nothing new or creative about that view of your messages.

Why don't you do some research for once. The number of deaths from wars has radically dropped since the invention of the atomic bomb - and the number of major wars and world wars since then has been exactly zero.

The warmongering messages, in reality, are your's, because you want to make major war possible again, as was the entire history of the human race until the atomic bomb came along - making total war - FINALLY - impossible for anyone to win.

Lol, like the war to end all wars and other such rhetoric, no thanks, the rest of us will continue to push for no war, and peace. I realise that there are those that can't visualise world peace, in who's world, such seems utopian, nirvana and fairy tale. I will agree that with out the vision, the reality cannot be attained. And building new, ever powerful weapons like you and the other war monger I was addressing supports, continues to impede it.
 
No, it is over Israel's right to exist and to not being slaughters, and the right of Jews to have their own safe haven country.

Since we have nuclear weapons there is no hypocrisy topic or are demanding Russia and China give up their nukes there is none either. The REAL poll question is "Do you hate Jews?" It comes down to that.

Dude! Stop spitting, slow down, and edit your post before you click, so that the rest of us might understand what your trying to say, please.
 
And Ukraine is paying for it now in deaths and being militarily defeated and, essentially, eliminated as a country. If Ukraine has 6 nuclear warheads there wouldn't be a Russian soldier in Ukraine now.

If Israel gave up their atomic weapons they slaughtered. But plenty of people want exactly that. Curiously, increasingly it has become liberals who support making that possible.

Oh for crying out loud, what hyperbole. Ukraine isn't being defeated, or eliminated as a country. I note your advocacy for the use of nuclear weapons and will point out the moronic, knuckle dragging frame of mind it accompanies. Jesus Christ I hope there aren't people like you around anything dangerous.
 
Oh for crying out loud, what hyperbole. Ukraine isn't being defeated, or eliminated as a country. I note your advocacy for the use of nuclear weapons and will point out the moronic, knuckle dragging frame of mind it accompanies. Jesus Christ I hope there aren't people like you around anything dangerous.

Posting a lie accomplishes nothing. At no time did I post any advocacy of using nuclear weapons, did I? The existence of nuclear weapons is not advocating usage of them any more than owning a firearm is advocating shooting people.

Ukraine is defeated. They have lose both their breadbasket and industrial base to Russian invasion, reducing them to - at best - perpetual paupers and beggars to Russia for fuel, to the West and to the East for more loans and to sell off Ukraine land to. To merely survive - as in not starving and freezing to death - Ukraine is selling of huge tracts of land that technically is still in their control.

Ukraine is finished. Whether any part of it remains a 3rd world mini servitude independent country to shove all the unwanted into or not remains to be seen.
 
Given Iran's attitudes and abuse of gays it was foregone that you love Iran, just like you cheer Putin for his rants and law against gays.

Why do you stay in the USA? Seriously. Can't afford to leave?

Sorry, I didn't know you were a jewish gay. Nothing personal
 
Simpleχity;1064327496 said:
Not officially in public, but there is no way Khan could have transferred Pakistani nuclear secrets (the Pakistani government refers to their nuclear technology as - our national pearls) without the ISI and the government being aware of his foreign undertakings.

ISI involvement is a given, but ISI does not mean government. The ISI is pretty much rogue and has been for a very long time. Just look at their support in hiding Bin Laden... next to their military academy pretty much.
 
First what we agree on. If one signs a treaty it should apply to all that sign. If this is not the case, however, there can be different optimizing stragegies one can legitimately follow. Which to choose might depend on the circumstances. This is true also vs non signatories. There is no reason for instance to treat declared enemies wanting nukes the same as others. As a matter of fact, without further reasons, it would be silly to waste resources on fighting the ally.

What ally? Israel? HAHAHAHA you have got to be kidding. Israel is no ally of the US.. at best a tolerated accomplice in a sea of hostile fish. Allies dont attack your military. Allies dont spy on you and plant moles in your intelligence organisations. Allies dont assassinate people in friendly countries.
 
The refuge of the forlorn fanatic: "The only reason people haven't adopted my way of thinking is because they are all bought and paid for!". It honestly makes them feel better about the irrelevancy of their conspiratorial worldview.

I have noticed that you like to lean on this little deceptive device to discredit legitimate observations. Although they may be on the wane, it has been noted by many credible sources of the considerable influence that AIPAC and the Israel lobby has on Congress. I'm sure you have heard of Dick Durbin. Here's something of interest

“There was a real desire to help Findley out of Congress,” Asher said. He identified an obscure Democratic lawyer in Springfield, Richard Durbin, as someone who could defeat Findley. “We met at my apartment in Chicago, and I recruited him to run for Congress,” he recalled. “I probed his views and I explained things that I had learned mostly from aipac. I wanted to make sure we were supporting someone who was not only against Paul Findley but also a friend of Israel.”

Asher went on, “He beat Findley with a lot of help from Jews, in-state and out-of-state. Now, how did the Jewish money find him? I travelled around the country talking about how we had the opportunity to defeat someone unfriendly to Israel. And the gates opened.” Durbin, who went on to win a Senate seat, is now the Democratic whip. He is a fierce critic of Bush’s Iraq policy but, like aipac, generally supports the Administration’s approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Durbin says that he considers Asher to be his “most loyal friend in the Jewish community.”

Mayer Mitchell led a similar campaign, three years ago, to defeat Earl Hilliard, an Alabama congressman who was a critic of Israel. Mitchell helped direct support to a young Harvard Law School graduate named Artur Davis, who challenged Hilliard in the Democratic primary, and he solicited donations from aipac supporters across America. Davis won the primary, and the seat. “I asked Bubba how he felt after Davis won,” Asher said, “and he said, ‘Just like you did when Durbin got elected.’ ” Mitchell declined to comment.

aipac’s leaders can be immoderately frank about the group’s influence. At dinner that night with Steven Rosen, I mentioned a controversy that had enveloped aipac in 1992. David Steiner, a New Jersey real-estate developer who was then serving as aipac’s president, was caught on tape boasting that he had “cut a deal” with the Administration of George H. W. Bush to provide more aid to Israel. Steiner also said that he was “negotiating” with the incoming Clinton Administration over the appointment of a pro-Israel Secretary of State. “We have a dozen people in his”—Clinton’s—“headquarters . . . and they are all going to get big jobs,” Steiner said. Soon after the tape’s existence was disclosed, Steiner resigned his post. I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. “You see this napkin?” he said. “In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.”

Go peddle your phoney baloney somewhere else

Real Insiders - The New Yorker
 
Posting a lie accomplishes nothing. At no time did I post any advocacy of using nuclear weapons, did I? The existence of nuclear weapons is not advocating usage of them any more than owning a firearm is advocating shooting people.

Ukraine is defeated. They have lose both their breadbasket and industrial base to Russian invasion, reducing them to - at best - perpetual paupers and beggars to Russia for fuel, to the West and to the East for more loans and to sell off Ukraine land to. To merely survive - as in not starving and freezing to death - Ukraine is selling of huge tracts of land that technically is still in their control.

Ukraine is finished. Whether any part of it remains a 3rd world mini servitude independent country to shove all the unwanted into or not remains to be seen.

To the bolded, yes you DID!

Right here!!!!

Originally Posted by joko104
And Ukraine is paying for it now in deaths and being militarily defeated and, essentially, eliminated as a country. If Ukraine has 6 nuclear warheads there wouldn't be a Russian soldier in Ukraine now.

If Israel gave up their atomic weapons they slaughtered. But plenty of people want exactly that. Curiously, increasingly it has become liberals who support making that possible.
 
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