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1985 vs 2015

Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

  • 1985 was better overall

    Votes: 25 50.0%

  • 2015 is better overall

    Votes: 25 50.0%
  • Total voters
    50
US Conservative said:
Ok and?
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If we acknowledge the real problem (hint:socio-economic) we can think of ways to even the playing field. One suggestion is mandated high quality pre-schools. Another would be alternative choices to the one track college or nothing choice. I could probably go on but I won't.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
If we acknowledge the real problem (hint:socio-economic) we can think of ways to even the playing field. One suggestion is mandated high quality pre-schools. Another would be alternative choices to the one track college or nothing choice. I could probably go on but I won't.
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You wont be able to rectify the economic part, so therefore the social inequalities will remain. And there you go with the word "mandate". :doh
Whats the matter, you dont think the poor are smart enough to decide for themselves? Or is it just time for freebies to get them to come around?

We provide just about every social program here in CA, and its not helping.
 
US Conservative said:
You wont be able to rectify the economic part, so therefore the social inequalities will remain. And there you go with the word "mandate". :doh
Whats the matter, you dont think the poor are smart enough to decide for themselves? Or is it just time for freebies to get them to come around?

We provide just about every social program here in CA, and its not helping.
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More money means more resources. High quality pre-school makes a difference.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Only if it's allocated properly. As it is, far too much of it goes to administration.
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Then let me rephrase what I meant. Children coming from families with more money have access to more resources before they enter kindergarten. High quality pre-schools make a difference.
 
US Conservative said:
You wont be able to rectify the economic part, so therefore the social inequalities will remain. And there you go with the word "mandate". :doh
Whats the matter, you dont think the poor are smart enough to decide for themselves? Or is it just time for freebies to get them to come around?

We provide just about every social program here in CA, and its not helping.
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Yeah, when liberals use the word mandate I stop paying them any mind. At that point the answer is no.
 
US Conservative said:
More money does NOT equate to higher scores. Do you disagree?
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Higher socio-economic status does because more money gives these children more resources before they enter public schools. That is where the field is uneven. Day one of kindergarten, it stands out like a sore thumb.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Higher socio-economic status does because more money gives these children more resources before they enter public schools. That is where the field is uneven. Day one of kindergarten, it stands out like a sore thumb.
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Nevermind the higher econ status-you can't control that. How about funding-since it does not correlate to better scores, but does correlate to more money to teachers and teachers unions-now what?
 
Peter King said:
New kids on the what? Sorry but I do not know that band.

Guns and Roses, Van Halen, Duran Duran, 1980's U2, 80's Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Queen, REM, Talking Heads, Dire Straits, Kiss, the Police, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson, Prince, Billy Joel, Metallica, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Genesis, Red Hot Chili peppers, Chicago.

And that is just the mainstream bands, I also have Slayer, Death Angel, Ronnie James Dio, the Cult, and many more.
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Sounds like revisionist history by over compensating your band list

 
US Conservative said:
Nevermind the higher econ status-you can't control that. How about funding-since it does not correlate to better scores, but does correlate to more money to teachers and teachers unions-now what?
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You can control one thing. That is providing better resources to those that can't get them prior to kindergarten and that is having a high quality learning opportunity at a much younger age, Also, stop it with the union boogeyman. It gets old.
 
Oh 1985 by far.

We're in the Carter years mutliplied by 10 right now.
 
imagep said:
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Sorry, but to me it not good music, better than maybe a lot of music today but not as good as some of the actually great music of the 80's.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
You can control one thing. That is providing better resources to those that can't get them prior to kindergarten and that is having a high quality learning opportunity at a much younger age, Also, stop it with the union boogeyman. It gets old.
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What you are proposing to control does not improve outcomes. Im about evidence, not what sounds good.
 
US Conservative said:
What you are proposing to control does not improve outcomes. Im about evidence, not what sounds good.
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Really? You are really suggesting a high quality pre-school experience won't improve outcome? I guess this is where we agree to disagree.
 
It's kind of a mixed bag, IMO.

The technology of 2015 is nice. I'll give it that much. Our future is rather uncertain, however, and popular culture is a lot worse. Opportunities for growth and advancement (both personal and societal) also seem to be a lot more limited in comparison to what they once were.

The America of 1985 was on it's up to a "Golden Age." The America of 2015 is on its way down from that high, and its not entirely clear how far we'll slip before things rebound again.
 
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