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Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

Is Scott Walkers lack of a degree an issue

  • Yes, I dont take orders from some quitter

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • No, he has enough real world experience to do the job

    Votes: 43 69.4%
  • Somewhat, I would like to see him finish.

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
OK, but what kind of following will he have from military officers that must have college degrees to do their jobs?

Have you served in the military? If so, you understand that officers obey their commander in chief and don't care what college degrees he may or may not have.
 
Have you served in the military? If so, you understand that officers obey their commander in chief and don't care what college degrees he may or may not have.

They care, trust me. There may be nothing they can do about it, but they care.
 
no. i only want to have it one way

there is no way dubya enjoys his ivy league 'success' without daddy's help
one of the repeated knocks on him as president was his obvious lack of interest in anything intellectually rigorous. which is why he abdicated to cheney and other neocons surrounding him to think and become informed on his behalf
and in no way have i criticized walker for his lack of a degree. i would criticize him for most of his views, but not for failing to own a diploma; for a number of reasons. as an elected official, those who placed him in office found his intellectual capacity adequate for the job without a degree. ditto for the shrub. but more significantly, there are a great number of very smart, very accomplished people i have met who were without a degree. most were self educated by personal choice. others were forced to work to assist their families. and there were those who tried it and found that the university was too slow for them. bill gates comes to mind as an example from that latter group

and if i were forced to speculate, based on the shown post and others devoid of critical thinking, you would appear no where among those i have pointed to as being accomplished

I'll ignore the childish insult and just point out that while the Bush family name did not hurt Bush's chances of getting into Yale and Harvard....the Bush family did not buy his diplomas at two left wing ivy league universities. And the rants about abdicating to Cheney and Rumsfeld is just more left wing tin foil hat nonsense. Have a great day.
 
Who cares what you expect? The voters of Wisconsin like him.

Republicans in Wisconsin like him. Independents are luke warm with him. Democrats think he's lousy.

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They care, trust me. There may be nothing they can do about it, but they care.

Trust me. They do not care. I did serve in the military and I can assure you that officers, college educated or not do not sit around, think about, or talk about the commander in chiefs college resume.
 
Trust me. They do not care. I did serve in the military and I can assure you that officers, college educated or not do not sit around, think about, or talk about the commander in chiefs college resume.
All officers are college educated. When were you in 50 years ago?
 
supposedly he got a job...I don't know where or doing what, though.


I have a good friend in the IT industry... he enrolled , declared a major ( computer science), and didn't even attend a single class before he was approached for a job... that was 20 years ago, and he's still with the same firm making very good money....he never went back to school for even 1 day.

walkers choice doesn't seem so silly when we look at where he is today... i mean, it doesn't seem to have hurt him whatsoever.

Computer programming is a very interesting endeavor. My degree is in math but my job was computer programming and then managing programmers. Everyone wants to make out like it is a science, but in many ways I think it is more like an art form. People have written "code generators" to try and eliminate the need for so many programmers, but they seem to have fallen from favor. The code was just not that good. Maintaining the code and making it do "exactly" what you wanted are not easily achieved.

Poor programmers can make a program achieve its objective, however when you read it, its sloppy. There are many twists and turns, which indicate the programmer did not fully analyze the process before coding, so they had to add in the pieces they originally neglected. This makes the program error prone, hard to maintain, and in some cases it performs slowly.

A master will fully analyze the problem the first time and design a complete solution, then commit it to code that is clean, logically well organized, it will be reliable, maintainable in the future, and perform well.

It's like the difference between a Grandma Moses painting and a da Vinci, both are paintings, but there is all the difference in the world.

There is an aptitude to do this, and it comes from intelligence, practice, refinement of the art over years, not a college degree.

I suppose there are other disciplines like this.

Regarding Scott Walker, I will look at real world results. I don't care if he has a degree, I want to know what he has done, is his success due to things he has done, or was he just standing there when something good happened and is he taking credit he does not deserve. You have to look below the surface, the devil is ALWAYS in the details.

Edit: This is not to say that all the best programmers don't have a degree. Some of the best do have degrees, and some of the advanced theory they learned in college can help them design a superior solution that a non-degree programmer would not achieve. I would never say a degree is worthless. This difference would emerge in high value pieces of code with high use, such as an operating system design, or building a new database manager to store and retrieve data, very large, complex, high use programs. For standard meat and potato applications like an accounting general ledger, you probably could not tell the difference.
 
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Or hands on and book combined. In my first job, I worked with an electrical engineer, who never went to college a day in his life. He was self taught. A college degree is wonderful, however most of the employers I have worked for valued experience more then degrees.

Absolutely. I was an adjunct instructor at a local Community College for 3 years for my field at the time. I have never served a day in a college class as a student. Everything I know of my current position I learned on the job. I am not saying the President of the United States should learn on the job, just giving an example of how there are other ways to learn.
 
Being refused at the University of Texas he was admitted to Yale as a legacy.

Can you please post the links that show how much his father paid to get him into Yale and Harvard, and how much his father paid to ensure that his professors were giving him sufficient grades so that he could collect his diplomas from both schools?
 
Can you please post the links that show how much his father paid to get him into Yale and Harvard, and how much his father paid to ensure that his professors were giving him sufficient grades so that he could collect his diplomas from both schools?

I don't know that I have ever seen such a link. But you can dismiss the Yale admission argument as Bush was a legacy.
 
All officers are college educated. When were you in 50 years ago?

Close. 40 years ago. However you are still wrong. While most officers are college educated, to say all of them are is simply not true. They still commission many of them from the enlisted ranks if they have the technical, organizational, and leadership skills needed.
 
I don't know that I have ever seen such a link. But you can dismiss the Yale admission argument as Bush was a legacy.

Yale, like most private colleges, admits a lot of legacies. Many of these same colleges advertise and have for years that children of alumni are given preference.

None of that has to do with the unproven claim that Bush's father paid to get him into Yale and Harvard, and it doesn't explain how he managed to graduate from both Yale and Harvard.

Assuming he got into and graduated from Yale and Harvard only because his father also graduated from Yale is about as honest as assuming Barack Obama got into Occidental, Columbia and Harvard only because he's black.
 
Close. 40 years ago. However you are still wrong. While most officers are college educated, to say all of them are is simply not true. They still commission many of them from the enlisted ranks if they have the technical, organizational, and leadership skills needed.
No in the last few decades. I live very close to an airbase and have at other jobs interfaced with Officers as well as non comms and to get to officer grade you need a college education.
There are no more battlefield commissions or experienced based commissions.
That said, even if there were. It would be few and the mass majority of officers are college grads and I think would rather follow the lead of other college grads.
 
Yes, the world is not the simple place it was 100 years ago.

Leader needs to be able to play chess, not checkers. Ability to understand and optimize policy recommendations from scores of advisors across economics, foreign policy, science, etc ...


Now to be fair, if he actually showed intellect off the charts and didn't finish college, that would be another story. But since he hasn't....

True. That's why he's lost all his recent political battles against minor opposition.
 
Is it an issue for you. I like him, but that is a sticking point.

It isn't for me. He's not a lawyer either. That's two reasons to vote for him.
 
Close. 40 years ago. However you are still wrong. While most officers are college educated, to say all of them are is simply not true. They still commission many of them from the enlisted ranks if they have the technical, organizational, and leadership skills needed.

I think you may be thinking of Warrant Officers, for whom a certain portion of college is required. It is, I suppose, possible that a CWO could be made an LDO if the MOS went away, and that then you would have an officer without a degree. But that is a fairly rare occurrence. They no longer battlefield commission.
 
No in the last few decades. I live very close to an airbase and have at other jobs interfaced with Officers as well as non comms and to get to officer grade you need a college education.
There are no more battlefield commissions or experienced based commissions.
That said, even if there were. It would be few and the mass majority of officers are college grads and I think would rather follow the lead of other college grads.

Sorry, but commissioning enlisted men as officers has not completely gone way. It may be the few, however it still occurs. Yes, the massive majority are college educated, however not all of them are. And some of them satisfy that expectation simply by going to war college. Not that any of this matters. Officers simply do not spend time thinking about the commander in chief's college resume.
 
I think you may be thinking of Warrant Officers, for whom a certain portion of college is required. It is, I suppose, possible that a CWO could be made an LDO if the MOS went away, and that then you would have an officer without a degree. But that is a fairly rare occurrence. They no longer battlefield commission.

Actually I was not thinking of warrant officers. There are still enlisted men, non-commissioned officers who are promoted to the rank of second lieutenant....etc...and there are still battlefield commissions. I do think that anyone planning to become an officer should seek a college education, however not having one does not mean there is no other way. Some of them are promoted merely based on technical skills.
 
As for me, I've never made the assertion that Bush the Elder paid to have his son accepted at either school. If Bush was accepted as a legacy there would have been no need for him to have had his daddy pay to have him accepted. It's fairly obvious he was accepted as a legacy.

At Harvard, once again Bush's grades and test scores were not at all outstanding, however Bush was accepted. I don't know that his father paid anything for Bush to be accepted into Harvard Business School. It was more likely that the Bush family name and power were more than enough to secure Bush's admission. We can safely assume the Bush was not accepted to Harvard on his own merits.
 
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