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Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

Is Scott Walkers lack of a degree an issue

  • Yes, I dont take orders from some quitter

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • No, he has enough real world experience to do the job

    Votes: 43 69.4%
  • Somewhat, I would like to see him finish.

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
Business and government are not the same.

True enough but the point is that a collage degree isn't mandatory to be successful in either as Gates and Walker have proven.
 
Few (if any) people use that standard to pick a candidate. So I expect his lack of a degree will cost him exactly zero votes. People choose based upon ideology first, likeability second.

Do you think that was the main factor in Obama's elections?
 
No. The zippy pinhead academic Presidents have largely been a disaster with little clue about the real world.

Since when does a college degree of itself make one an academic?

I have one and I'm no academic.

On the OP question voted that he needs one but it really depends. Why doesn't he have one? Is it because he had to get a job right out of high school to help support his family and since then has been too busy to get one? Or is it because he decided to spend his college years in Europe chasing tail? The former is understandable and wouldn't necessarily hurt him in my eyes while the latter would.

And then there's the question of skills. An accounting or art degree probably doesn't help one run a country. Finance/economics, foreign relations, law etc degrees do.
 
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I probably wouldn't vote for him anyway, but, specifically to address this question, NO the lack of a degree doesn't mean squat to me.

In my work, some of the brightest and most capable people I work with have no degrees at all, and some of the biggest idiots have them. I think college, for the most part, is vastly overrated, and young people generally would be better off getting work right out of high school.

Much better than a college degree, I find, are employees with a military background.

I would be much more inclined to question whether a would-be president is truly qualified to do the job without any sort of military pedigree (Hilary Clinton, for example).
 
Gates is very much the exception.



This man has a college degree and is in government.

How about Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Dell, John D. Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Sheldon Adleson, John Makey and Matt Mulenweg. They didn't finish college either.
 
Business and government are not the same.

In a lot of ways they are. And leadership qualities transcend the actual job. You can be a great leader in the private sector, in government, in the military, on the sports field, and in the neighborhood PTA. Or you can be a lousy leader.
 
Its only relevant to people who were never going to vote for him anyway.
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This man has a college degree and is in government.

How about Mark Zuckerberg, Michael Dell, John D. Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Sheldon Adleson, John Makey and Matt Mulenweg. They didn't finish college either.


Look, I'm not saying that you can't be wildly successful without a college degree. You can, but for every Bill Gates you serve up I can probably give you 100 counter examples. Non college educated wildly successful business people are the exception, not the rule.

Interestingly Gates, Zuckerberg, Dell and Mulenwag (as well arguably as Rockefeller and Ford) all made their mark in new industries. I wonder if that has something to do with their success.
 
The curriculum for the degree is set by the faculty of the department (or higher up, too) to complete a prescribed course of study that satisfies their level of minimal study to show higher level education in that area.

Would you hire someone as mechanical engineer who never graduated with his degree and decided not to take statics and dynamics?

Further, would you say someone has a high school education if they dropped out after 9th grade? Of course not. "Has an education" _in "X" implies they took (and passed) the patently obvious and requisite courses to fully attain that education.

He took a bunch of college courses, but he didn't complete a degree. What field is he educated in specifically at a collegiate level?

I would say he has a doctorate in "political science". Everyone has taken him on and he keeps on winning against huge odds. Obama won twice in Wisconsin, a liberal state, yet Scott Walker cannot be defeated.
 
In a lot of ways they are. And leadership qualities transcend the actual job. You can be a great leader in the private sector, in government, in the military, on the sports field, and in the neighborhood PTA. Or you can be a lousy leader.

True. And there are few natural born leaders. It's something that has to be both taught and practiced.

And leadership in any case isn't the whole picture. A great leader with a bad vision is nothing more than another Titanic. A great leader, with a great vision who can't manage to execute on his vision is useless.
 
Look, I'm not saying that you can't be wildly successful without a college degree. You can, but for every Bill Gates you serve up I can probably give you 100 counter examples. Non college educated wildly successful business people are the exception, not the rule.

Interestingly Gates, Zuckerberg, Dell and Mulenwag (as well arguably as Rockefeller and Ford) all made their mark in new industries. I wonder if that has something to do with their success.


In Walkers case we don't have to guess. He's been a successful governor so he's a proven commodity. Now that's out of the way, you are free to judge him with a political lense and not have to judge him wether or not he was successful in English lit.
 
I would say he has a doctorate in "political science". Everyone has taken him on and he keeps on winning against huge odds. Obama won twice in Wisconsin, a liberal state, yet Scott Walker cannot be defeated.



Wisconsin may historically be a liberal state, but it certainly does not currently seem to be.

US Senate- 1 R/ 1D
US House- 5R/3D
GOV-1R
State Senate 18 R/ 14D
State House 63 R /36 D
 
True. And there are few natural born leaders. It's something that has to be both taught and practiced.

And leadership in any case isn't the whole picture. A great leader with a bad vision is nothing more than another Titanic. A great leader, with a great vision who can't manage to execute on his vision is useless.
I think those of highly educated persuasion will find it hard to take orders from him.
Also, college relationships last through careers and can help network of people to facilitate legislation and programs.
Lack of that makes you a clear outsider.
I know I wouldn't take orders from someone without a degree.
 
Harry Truman never got a college degree. I wonder what position of power he could have risen to if he had.

LBJ had a degree in Education. He wanted to be a teacher.

A college degree, especially a Bachelor's Degree (which I happen to have) is about as useful in your working career as those ballet lessons your wife took when she was 4 are now in her life.
 
I am not hung up on the fact he doesn't have one. I feel you can gain more valuable experience from hands on more so than from a book.

That's my opinion
 
Academic institutions are never quick to assign value to real world experience.
Those of us with both a degree and experience, know the degree was just a
key to open the door.
We could look at it this like contact hours.
Bachelors: 120 credits which is about 1500 contact hours
Masters: 36 credits, about 500 contact hours
PhD: roughly 40 credits about 600 contact hours.
2600 contact hours, lecture and lab, triple for out of class study
7500 hours of exposure to the material for a PhD.
Scott Walker has been the Chief executive officer (Governor) for 4 years.
even if we assume a 40 hour week, that is 8320 hours of exposure to the
material.
Before that he was the Executive of Milwaukee County for 8 years.
That is another 16,640 hours of Executive experience.
I don't know much about Walker, but clearly possesses the decision
making skill set necessary to be an Executive.
 
Harry Truman never got a college degree. I wonder what position of power he could have risen to if he had.

LBJ had a degree in Education. He wanted to be a teacher.

A college degree, especially a Bachelor's Degree (which I happen to have) is about as useful in your working career as those ballet lessons your wife took when she was 4 are now in her life.
Our expectations and access to education have greatly changed during the seventy years since Truman first became president.

During Truman's era, only one in twenty Americans would compete their bachelors degree. Being in the top five percent of educated people would be a great asset to have for the leader of the free world, but it's not a compulsory expectation. Today, however, not having a degree puts you in the bottom two thirds in education attainment. I expect more from a leader.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States
 
Academic institutions are never quick to assign value to real world experience.
Those of us with both a degree and experience, know the degree was just a
key to open the door.
We could look at it this like contact hours.
Bachelors: 120 credits which is about 1500 contact hours
Masters: 36 credits, about 500 contact hours
PhD: roughly 40 credits about 600 contact hours.
2600 contact hours, lecture and lab, triple for out of class study
7500 hours of exposure to the material for a PhD.
Scott Walker has been the Chief executive officer (Governor) for 4 years.
even if we assume a 40 hour week, that is 8320 hours of exposure to the
material.
Before that he was the Executive of Milwaukee County for 8 years.
That is another 16,640 hours of Executive experience.
I don't know much about Walker, but clearly possesses the decision
making skill set necessary to be an Executive.


i'll take holy screwed up comparisons for $1000, alex.
 
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I graduated from the same university Scooter attended. The scuttlebutt (gossip) I got from some teachers and professors is that he didn't necessarily leave by his own free will. The university is unusually tight lipped about it and Walker will not answer any questions as to why he left other than "personal reasons." The Walker family has always been wealthy and well placed politically so it would be unusual to hypothesize they worked with the university to keep everything about him, permanently sealed.
 
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I graduated from the same university Scooter attended. The scuttlebutt (gossip) I got from some teachers and professors is that he didn't necessarily leave by his own free will. The university is unusually tight lipped about it and Walker will not answer any questions as to why he left other than "personal reasons." The Walker family has always been wealthy and well placed politically so it would be unusual to hypothesize they worked with the university to keep everything about him, permanently sealed.

you would think that with the strength of connections to protect him in that degree they would also be able to buy him a diploma
worked for dubya
 
Do you think that was the main factor in Obama's elections?
Absolutely. There is no question that Obama was more likeable than McCain and he ran as someone slightly left of center, but appealed to unity.
 
Absolutely. There is no question that Obama was more likeable than McCain and he ran as someone slightly left of center, but appealed to unity.

I agree. His likeability was the major contributing factor to his elections, not his ideology. McCain and Romney lacked likeable personalities and displayed moments of significant poor judgement in my opinion. (Not that Obama makes a better president, but he is a master campaigner).
 
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