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Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

What should President do about Marines surrounded at Al-Asad Air Base?

  • Order those US Marine flee like in Yemen

    Votes: 6 14.6%

  • Have those Marines surrender to ISIS forces

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Have those Marines stay and fight it out on their own

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Send reinforcements and stand their ground

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • Send reinforcements and attack ISIS

    Votes: 26 63.4%
  • Total voters
    41
Montecresto said:
By that logic, they could claim the same. Btw, is the US ever to blame for civilian deaths in your small warrior mind.
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One could easily turn that around on you: Is anyone other than the US ever to blame for anything? But civilians die in war, often more die than do the soldiers that fight them. But so what? Its only recently that civilian deaths in wartime seem to have become taboo--but only for the good guys. The bad guys kill civilians at will and use them as slaves, shields and propaganda. We kill one inadvertently and people like you jump down our throats and play the moral equivalency game.
 
apdst said:
Why not call in massive air strikes now?
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Apparently they are not in a mode where air strikes are optimum.

Do you question their every move is not being monitored?
 
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I suspect a heavy dose of vitamin B-52 might do wonders in al-Baghdadi and the open country nearby. Drop leaflets first to warn the innocent to get out of town post haste, and then consider anyone still there to be hostile.

Leaving the security of this base up to Iraqi forces is not very satisfactory. We cannot let even one of our servicemen be captured by these vermin--ever.
 
WCH said:
The crime of betraying one's country. He's done that time and time again.
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More Obama hating BS.

The CIC that threw our troops under a bus was the previous one. This one actually gives a damn.
 
Fletch said:
One could easily turn that around on you: Is anyone other than the US ever to blame for anything? But civilians die in war, often more die than do the soldiers that fight them. But so what? Its only recently that civilian deaths in wartime seem to have become taboo--but only for the good guys. The bad guys kill civilians at will and use them as slaves, shields and propaganda. We kill one inadvertently and people like you jump down our throats and play the moral equivalency game.
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Anybody can spin anything around on anybody. If killing civilians can be justified anywhere, it can be justified everywhere. This is why war (almost always avoidable, though so often sought) is a knuckle draggers enterprise.
 
matchlight said:
I suspect a heavy dose of vitamin B-52 might do wonders in al-Baghdadi and the open country nearby. Drop leaflets first to warn the innocent to get out of town post haste, and then consider anyone still there to be hostile.

Leaving the security of this base up to Iraqi forces is not very satisfactory. We cannot let even one of our servicemen be captured by these vermin--ever.
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Yes, the warmongers medicine chest.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Apparently they are in a mode where air strikes are optimum.

Do you question their every move is not being monitored?
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They allowed the enemy to approach close enough to be engaged with gunships. That's close and yes, I question that strategy.
 
I checked for this to be a public poll. This isn't the first time the software made it private anyway. Frustrating. Private polls have become worthless as a poll, though the topic valid.
 
matchlight said:
I suspect a heavy dose of vitamin B-52 might do wonders in al-Baghdadi and the open country nearby. Drop leaflets first to warn the innocent to get out of town post haste, and then consider anyone still there to be hostile.

Leaving the security of this base up to Iraqi forces is not very satisfactory. We cannot let even one of our servicemen be captured by these vermin--ever.
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Puff the Magic Dragon gunship works best for me. I think it's still in use?
 
joko104 said:
I checked for this to be a public poll. This isn't the first time the software made it private anyway. Frustrating. Private polls have become worthless as a poll, though the topic valid.
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Lefties are gaming the system. The only way around it I know for now is to post polls in the general politics forum-where they can be made public and non-forumites can't vote.
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, the warmongers medicine chest.
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That can't hide the fact, which you have made clear, that you are unwilling to see this country use any force at all against these jihadists. You would let them do whatever they please, regardless of how many innocent people--including Americans--they would murder as the result of your inaction.
 
matchlight said:
I suspect a heavy dose of vitamin B-52 might do wonders in al-Baghdadi and the open country nearby. Drop leaflets first to warn the innocent to get out of town post haste, and then consider anyone still there to be hostile.

Leaving the security of this base up to Iraqi forces is not very satisfactory. We cannot let even one of our servicemen be captured by these vermin--ever.
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When my dad was at a remote Special Forces camp in Vietnam capture was not an option. If they were overrun and capture was imminent they were instructed to pull the pin on a frag grenade. Much more humane than being captured.
 
matchlight said:
That can't hide the fact, which you have made clear, that you are unwilling to see this country use any force at all against these jihadists. You would let them do whatever they please, regardless of how many innocent people--including Americans--they would murder as the result of your inaction.
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No, not so fast. Had I been influential, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad would have been left alone as the rough around the edges stabilising forces that practiced containment of these miscreants that US policy has let out of the bottle.
 
JANFU said:
Now the question was- Carpet Bombing- Yes- No.
After that is answered we can carry on the discussion. Fair?
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Depends on the target and the mission. Sometimes carpet bombing is useful, sometimes ot's a waste of munitions.
 
apdst said:
Depends on the target and the mission. Sometimes carpet bombing is useful, sometimes ot's a waste of munitions.
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And can be a War Crime.
 
ISIS being in mortar range of the air base severely limits it's potential usage. While attacks on the base itself have been limited, ISIS has been fighting and has captured essentially the entire surrounding area - and is holding it.

Since this is all around a USA massive military and air base - and very close to Bagdad, obviously ISIS has NO fear of the supposed 60,000 Iraqi troops in Bagdad and 100% confidence that President Obama is going to keep his promise to ISIS that he wouldn't allow America troops to attack them, though they certainly can attack us anyway.

Our president is on their side, though saying otherwise. They kill Americans and allies, and he responds by attacking Christians and the West. They absolutely will not mention "victory" and only has said ISIS will be "downgraded." He has promises ISIS that he will not have American troops attack no matter whether they attack American troops themselves or whatever else they do to Americans and the USA.

I'm fairly confident there has never been ANY American president who has assured a declared enemy that no matter what they do there is no circumstance where he will use the Army or Marines against them, assuring them as long as they cover themselves in terms of air power they can attack and kill as many people as they want, including Americans, and engage in any acts of terrorism anywhere in the world - knowing that it is the President of the United States himself who is protecting them from the American military.
 
apdst said:
They allowed the enemy to approach close enough to be engaged with gunships. That's close and yes, I question that strategy.
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They were not a number in force that couldn't be handled without airstrikes. Probably too close in.
 
joko104 said:
ISIS being in mortar range of the air base severely limits it's potential usage. While attacks on the base itself have been limited, ISIS has been fighting and has captured essentially the entire surrounding area - and is holding it.

Since this is all around a USA massive military and air base - and very close to Bagdad, obviously ISIS has NO fear of the supposed 60,000 Iraqi troops in Bagdad and 100% confidence that President Obama is going to keep his promise to ISIS that he wouldn't allow America troops to attack them, though they certainly can attack us anyway.

Our president is on their side, though saying otherwise. They kill Americans and allies, and he responds by attacking Christians and the West. They absolutely will not mention "victory" and only has said ISIS will be "downgraded." He has promises ISIS that he will not have American troops attack no matter whether they attack American troops themselves or whatever else they do to Americans and the USA.

I'm fairly confident there has never been ANY American president who has assured a declared enemy that no matter what they do there is no circumstance where he will use the Army or Marines against them, assuring them as long as they cover themselves in terms of air power they can attack and kill as many people as they want, including Americans, and engage in any acts of terrorism anywhere in the world - knowing that it is the President of the United States himself who is protecting them from the American military.
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Bullcrap.

I don't even know where to start to show your inaccuracies.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
They were not a number in force that couldn't be handled without airstrikes. Probably too close in.
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Two weeks ago the enemy wasn't there at all. The fact that they've approached as closely as they have is disturbing.
 
Montecresto said:
No, not so fast. Had I been influential, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad would have been left alone as the rough around the edges stabilising forces that practiced containment of these miscreants that US policy has let out of the bottle.
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Hussein needed to go and the real error was not taking him out in the 1st Gulf War, then leaving what remained of the Iraqi military intact and turning the government over to whoever was in charge of the Iraqi military. Hussein was too much an invasion war monger to leave in power. But Gulf War 1 and even moreso #2 was STUPIDLY concluded. The other "strong man" thug dictators? Yes, they should have been left alone. Obama removed 2 of them and has crippled the 3rd (Assad) as his personal support of revolutionaries in my opinion.

I truly believe Obama sees his spiritual and ethical task to do what he can as President to support the formation of a large radical Islamic super power in the ME, but has to stay within the parameters of APPEARING to be pro-American and to avoid serious impeachment talk.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Puff the Magic Dragon gunship works best for me. I think it's still in use?
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There's no doubt AC-130's, armed helicopters, A-10's, etc. are very powerful. What concerns me is that these jihadists probably have some pretty capable anti-aircraft weapons. That presents the risk that an aircraft which flies low and slow could be shot down, and one or more of the crew captured by these murdering bastards. But they would be completely helpless against heavy bombers, especially ones flying at night at 35,000 feet.
 
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